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johnpuga1982 06-11-2011 04:36 AM

Tony Andrews interview on Funktion-One
 
Came across this the other day on YouTube. Pretty interesting.

http://youtu.be/tIxOooh_034

Disko Ole 06-11-2011 06:55 AM

Am I the only one finding Funktion One a bit hyped?

Here in Norway it's the main system when it comes to "club" installs, mostly due to it's reputation for quality and also because of the price I guess, but I can't really say I'm that convinced yet...

Both of the big systems I've heard so far have sounded way to loud, actually uncomfortable loud at times. One being placed outdoors was actually sounding better than the other one too, but this was actually just half of an system as the other two stacks where positioned used in the basement.

I know there is another system located at Trondheim too, which I heard is really tight and sounds super smooth. Trondheim, however, is a 7,5 hours drive from Oslo so I'm not going there anytime soon by car at least, lol.

Laurin 06-11-2011 07:22 AM

F1 is ultra mega atom overhyped!

Good stuff but nothing more, like it outdoors with harder EDM.
The Res 1 and 1.5 are a bad joke no high frequency reproduction at all!
But the PSM12 sounds really good.

Fred Bissnette 06-11-2011 04:13 PM

meyer gets my vote for touring class audio the f1 is nice and looks cool but basicly is turbo just redux and i like turbo the bass is really loud but again eaw or meyer for rock solid and clarity.

Fred Bissnette 06-11-2011 04:27 PM

he brings up a great point on source material djs are the biggest cause of signal degradation

pbellsound 06-13-2011 09:46 AM

I've never been impressed with anything from Function One. Nothing they make has ever sounded good to me-indoors or outdoors. I even attended a demo in the theater at Lehman Collage with Mr. Andrews in attendance. It was terrible-muddy mids and of course, no highs. A complete lack of "real" bass-it was like their horn subs stopped at 60Hz. It was quite boomy. The company associate walking around with me abandoned me when the sound got worse so he wouldn't have to answer any more of my questions. Classic moment.

MOST venues that install F1 eventually replace it with something better.

electricplums 06-13-2011 11:14 AM

There are a couple of venues in Liverpool that I go to on a regular basis, both venues advertise on their flyers/posters “powered by Funktion 1” like that is a good reason to go the venue?

At times both venues play the systems far too loud but that is down to the club not the not the system, at more acceptable volume levels they do sound alright but nothing amazing (I agree with the other comments that they can be too bass heavy/boomy….is that down to the setup?).

I was lucky enough to go to Cream in Liverpool while they had their Phazon system which did sound amazing, a lot of places these days don’t seem to take too much interest in their sound and since F1’s exposure in the media and the fact the speakers look good they have become the first choice for many a club, a bit like Pioneer has for mixers and CD decks…there is better gear out there but through marketing etc Pioneer/F1 has become norm for many a club.

Like with many things you can become a victim of your own success, F1 have become well know and their kit must be half decent but perhaps clubs think by throwing in a handful of F1 speakers they will automatically get a great sound and therefore you just blast it out with detriment to the sound quality. Like the guy says the whole signal chain makes a difference and its only as good as the weakest component, its nots just aobut decent speakers. I know there are far better systems out there, but every system needs setting up and managing correctly to get the best out of them.

Ive never been to Cielo in NY but Ive heard good things about their system and thats F1 or so I believe?

Just my tuppence worth,

:)

ArmenianSoul 06-13-2011 11:50 AM

we have a F1 system here at Shrine in MGM Casino Hotel, it was my first time experiencing a F1 system and i am not sure how it was configured but it just did not sound right to me at all :(, i think dj that night didnt know what the hell he was doing

matsm 06-13-2011 05:44 PM

Despite how good/bad any and all of the F1 kits out there may be, I think Mr. Andrews maked some very strong points in this interview. That said, despite the strength and validity of the points he makes, that audiophile vision is obviously not carried in all the venues that use F1 speakers.

der geile ami 06-13-2011 07:52 PM

there are a few f1 rigs in berlin. tape has one, dice (closed) had one. Berghain has one, and there is a local provider which actualy gets quite a bit of business with the party people for theirs. Ive not been to tape, but dice was horrible (terrible room acoustics, incomplete system design), and berghain is a giant concrete and glass shoebox, so it almost doesnt matter what goes in there. The party people often love it, but their standard was the andrews designed tms3 for years as teh concert providers sold theirs off to the clubs to buy line arrays.

i actually like the f1 mids, and at low volumes the systems can sound quite nice, but comfortably reproducing low lows and high highs is something i enjoy more from other boxes.

The success of f1 actually makes me happy. There are some major snake oil salesmen when it comes to party sound, and f1 is definitely not that. if it inspires more promoters and owners to invest something in sound instead of fancy bars and crap speakers, great! There is no shortage of good speakers for designers and service plays a bigger role when a provider.

Fred Bissnette 06-14-2011 01:08 AM

tonys ideas are ace and i think he really cares about the sound and i bet if he was the installer and the fella playing the source material it would be dope

i like his idea of no eq just good components setup properly

hes on to something

peas

der geile ami 06-14-2011 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Bissnette
tonys ideas are ace and i think he really cares about the sound and i bet if he was the installer and the fella playing the source material it would be dope

i like his idea of no eq just good components setup properly

hes on to something

peas


bad room acoustics are gonna fuck up the sound, no matter the gear.

i also like his pure approach regarding eq, but his hf horns need to be rolled off once the box gets up and goes. he doesnt like metallic diaphragms and has gone a long way to see what can be done in the mids without them, but there are other driver options, such as bms, to fill out the hf harshness.

he could do far worse. there is a guy in my area which builds slick looking boxes which end up costing more than those from reputable companies but which are sloppy.

George Stavropo 06-15-2011 11:55 AM

My experience with the Funktion 1 speakers is that the mid drivers have far more output in the higher frequencies and sound excessively harsh.

Also that their systems rarely sound cohesive. You can always hear the separation from the mid/high speakers to the low and subs. This may also be a result of poor installation.

Just my 2 cents worth

Fred Bissnette 06-15-2011 02:15 PM

building boxes is hard its not just about math and ts parameters its about matching drivers to wood and horns and loads of field testing, using paper to get quality sound is a great idea but it requires using a lot of drivers in an array to work nice. a good example is the deads wall of sound.

der geile ami 06-15-2011 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Stavropo
My experience with the Funktion 1 speakers is that the mid drivers have far more output in the higher frequencies and sound excessively harsh.

Also that their systems rarely sound cohesive. You can always hear the separation from the mid/high speakers to the low and subs. This may also be a result of poor installation.

Just my 2 cents worth


even at berghain? perhaps the otehr issues in that room distract me enough from such an issue.

for their touring systems, the 12"s probably dont go low enough. per their website, they stop at 112 hz, but it is not mentioned at what level.

George Stavropo 06-15-2011 04:47 PM

Totally agree with you Randy.

I don't think these days you can get away with calling a box "full range" if it doesn't go down to at least 50Hz +/- 3dB.

George Stavropo 06-15-2011 04:50 PM

And great as a club that Berghain is, it's a tough room.

I wouldn't know where to start with that room. Probably some very directional speakers and truck loads of acoustic treatment.

Richi 06-15-2011 09:20 PM

I think anything that is 20Hz-20Khz is full range, anything else claiming full range is marketing.

der geile ami 06-16-2011 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richi
I think anything that is 20Hz-20Khz is full range, anything else claiming full range is marketing.


if that is the case, then only someone like danley has a box which comes close.

i dont think extension that low is necessary in a top box, especially when additional subs are needed for lf headroom regardless of lf depth. and even for subs, tehre might be enough room gain that it is not necessary or even desirable for the box to go below 30

der geile ami 06-16-2011 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Stavropo
And great as a club that Berghain is, it's a tough room.

I wouldn't know where to start with that room. Probably some very directional speakers and truck loads of acoustic treatment.


I'd fly all of hte mid highs to angle them down more instead of making pretty ground stacks, but that obviously won't help out with the bass.

gotta admit, it was clutch to get that install, regardless of whether it sounded optimal. i bet it ddint matter what box went in that room, for better or worse, was going to make the brand famous

Richi 06-16-2011 08:10 AM

I suppose it depends on what kind of music is being reproduced.

16-20Khz, For those who like Pipe Organs.
http://www.lenardaudio.com/custom_opal.html



Laurin 06-16-2011 08:55 AM

But with that in mind you could say a F1 dance stack is "one" full range box. ;)

Fred Bissnette 06-16-2011 09:19 AM

jbl had a box that was full range i remember seeing them at a concert in ontario they were huge boxes and had one 18'' a horn loaded 12'' and a 4'' comp driver on a huge 2'' horn and were wired with a three way crossover and there were no subs it was more than enough bass that is what i would consider a full range cab.

heavey as hell though and they had a layer of fibreglass on the outside of the cab.

peas

der geile ami 06-16-2011 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richi
I suppose it depends on what kind of music is being reproduced.

16-20Khz, For those who like Pipe Organs.


yes, source material is important, but i still say reaching a true 30hz in a closed room will be acceptable for 99.999 percent of the listening audience given that most mastering engineers are going to cut out the lf mud that the producer never knew was there,

mg75 06-16-2011 04:59 PM

danley's jericho horn is the ultimate one box, full-range, point source cabinet. kind of large and heavy, but supposedly it kills line-arrays (especially during outdoor events with high wind factors).
the f1 system at cielo nyc is decent in the right hands. it does lack some low-mid punch though.


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