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Acidtension 07-29-2004 09:08 AM

The Phazon 3700
 
Hi,

What are your fundamented opinions about the Phazon 3700 mixer and model 5000 EQ for that mixer ?


I'd like to read several opinions, as well as mr. clubman5's and soundmanshorty's, please.


I only ask one thing: objective opinions.

Cheers

dancindave 07-29-2004 01:01 PM

Objective.....

There have only been a small handful of these bought whereas there have been many more Allen Heaths bought (since I want to be fair by only including currently produced mixers at the same price point). Now Phazon has made their product readily available for many nightclubs and individuals, but almost all of these parties stick to their UREI, Allen Heath, and even their Rane mixers. And these are people with decent budgets available. The few that have been sold are all installed in clubs with Phazon systems.

So from these facts I think you can deduce some opinion of the quality of this unit. Also Mr. Dash has listed the units he has thus sold:

http://www.stevedashaudio.com/index.htm

Now I have seen the 5 band EQ in more installation photos, but have not heard any positive comments on it from the DJs I know. I believe that Phazon is the only company building a 5 band EQ right now that is optomized for DJ use, so sadly there isn't much choice yet (paging Mr. Shorty to bring out the 5 band EQ).

Subjective.....

Don't waste your money. For the same kind of money you can buy 2 mint UREI 1620s, or just one and enough to sit on until a quality 5 band EQ, or 3 way isolator is released.

Acidtension 07-29-2004 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dancindave
Subjective.....

Don't waste your money. For the same kind of money you can buy 2 mint UREI 1620s, or just one and enough to sit on until a quality 5 band EQ, or 3 way isolator is released. [/b]


That high-end/quality 3 way isolator will probably be made by shorty, sometime soon, won't it ?

I guess there aren't mint Urei 1620s for sale (or the Bozak) at the moment... I hope soon there will. At least on Ebay (and by Mario G). Any other recommended place where to get one ? (considering I live in Portugal and I'd like the mixer to get here as mint as it should :rolleyes: )

dancindave 07-29-2004 01:28 PM

Actually, I've got a 3 way isolator in the works right now slated for release very soon (this August via duo-audio.com). This will be fully discrete, class A circuitry with quality components. Shorty's will be out soon as well and should be a formidable unit with a some output options available.

Email John Kimura: djjohnk@sbcglobal.net or Mario: djmariog@aol.com and find out what they have available. Mario likes to use stock phono cards and original clones, whereas John will tend to use my own phono cards which have their own sound unique to the originals. UREI 1620's are always available here in the US since they were built for about 20 years and were very popular, so you should always be able to find one if you really want it.

Also, www.hticsproaudio.com has them sometimes and also www.soundbroker.com; but beware that these guys will charge you $2500+ for these units since they are selling on other peoples behalf.

Acidtension 07-29-2004 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dancindave
Email John Kimura: djjohnk@sbcglobal.net or Mario: djmariog@aol.com and find out what they have available. Mario likes to use stock phono cards and original clones, whereas John will tend to use my own phono cards which have their own sound unique to the originals. UREI 1620's are always available here in the US since they were built for about 20 years and were very popular, so you should always be able to find one if you really want it.

Don't know their work...
Mario is more faithful to the Original Urei parts, isn't he?

For home dj use and quality recordings (I've got a CD recorder currently connected to my hifi), which amp +monitors would you vividly recomend to take a nice advantage of such a mixer ?
I had a look at the Crown XLS 202, but I don't know if its recommendable. I've also been looking at the Alesis MK One monitors...
I apologize to sound so lame (as in fact I am) with these questions, but I'd like to considerably improve my home setup regarding audio quality (even if I can't take the desired 100% advantage of it). I wouldn't fancy spending as much money as with the mixer with the other parts, since I don't need a huge speaker system, as I live on a flat and I'm not interested in severely bothering neighbours (just a bit is ok :D )

Cheers

Acidtension 07-29-2004 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dancindave
[b]Actually, I've got a 3 way isolator in the works right now slated for release very soon (this August via duo-audio.com). This will be fully discrete, class A circuitry with quality components.

Will there be an European Voltage version of it?

Which will be its price, can you tell ?

Thanks for your repplies

dancindave 07-29-2004 02:21 PM

For speakers I've been going through a similar situation. I've got some UREI 809 monitors and a UREI 6250 amp that I'm selling because the amp is a bit troublesome and the right woofer doesn't respond well to sub-bass. They are also too much for me to deal with for nearfield monitoring.

So far the best deal that I've seen is the Mackie HR824 because they are active speakers and also use a passive radiator on the rear for bass extension. So you get full and true sound. They run from $700-$1300 USD either from ebay, or any pro audio dealer. Since they're active; you're spared the hassle of matching the monitors with the amp and the expense of getting both seperately.

I've spent many hours with the Alesis Monitor One speakers w/ a Crown D75 amp and can say that they are only decent for small (preferably enclosed) areas. It's all relative to budget, but I say the Mackie's are the best deal right now. Now if I had more overhead I would get some Tannoy SGM, LGM, or DMT monitors with a decent reference amp like a Yamaha 2200. Or some PMC active monitors which have Bryston amplifiers built into them. Also ADAM monitors are good too.

I'll leave the choice to you for the seller of the UREI mixer. John is a good friend of mine and buys, reconditions and resells UREI and Bozak DJ mixers, so they are up to par. Mario is a cool guy and has built his reputation on selling refurbished UREI and Bozak mixers. Email them both and find out what they have available and if it fits your budget. I'm sure you'll get what you want from either of these guys.

The power transformer is switchable between US 120V and European 240V, so I would just need to know ahead of time what you like and it would be made how you want it, or even install a switch if you travel much. Price will be from $1400-$1600 depending on our final production cost and also relative to the number bought. So if you got 3 or more they could be discounted.

Acidtension 07-29-2004 09:28 PM

Mackie HR624 is enough, isn't it?

I guess I wouldn't need the 824..and the 624 isn't that much less in capabilities, is it ? It won't be used in large rooms...

As for the EQ's, I'd need 4 or 5... but that would surely cost me 3 times the price of the mixer... and I won't be able to afford that soon, I'm afraid... but if you can please email me with a budget for such an ammount of the referred EQ's, with European voltage (220-230-240) & plug (it would only be used where I live).., considering their proper shipment to Portugal?

As for the 'refurbished' ureis John & Mario sell - so they are items that originally came with slight problems or mistakes, that they alter, giving us a final product equal to the original... or it isn't just like that?

Thanks

nleote 07-30-2004 08:52 AM

To Bozaureik:

I dont think you will find here any favorable comments on any of Steve Dash products,specially his mixer.
I can tell you that i also have heard not very good things on that unit,i think the only good product he his selling that is considerably good is the DJ crossover,but it seems a bit overpriced,has all his sound systems.

I also live in Portugal (Cascais) and know how hard is to get any decent components at reasonably prices,everything seems very expensive here...
When buying items from the USA to Portugal,you have to consider not only the shipping cost but also the customs taxes,believe me,they can get up to 40% to 50% on the value of your purchase,making the final cost prohibitive.

I have exchanged several e-mails (and posts on this forum) with Scott (clubman5) and David (dancindave) and they are the ones to listen.
You always get good advices and honest opinions with Scott or dave.

As a personal note ,my bedroom set up is: following Scott´s advice i bought 2 Crown D75 (very good quality amps)that i am using in mono,each amp to a JBL Northridge E50,3 way home speaker.
I have reserved a Urei,that i am planning on buying in near future,but meanwhile i am changing between the Rane MP 24z and the MP2016 rotary mixer.(and the MP 24z kicks on the 2016).
Also have a DJ crossover from DJ mariog,that i have tryed only a couple of times,sound "technicians" seem very afraid about these kind of units.

Anyway,if you need anything drop me an e-mail.
Peace e fica bem

Bozaureik2 07-30-2004 12:11 PM

what is wrong with this messageboard ? dates are all messed up...

I can't send another repply as it is always telling me I can only post 30 seconds after my last post (and last time I read it was 14 hours ago!!)...
etc..

Some bugs here needing to be fixed, or something wrong with my cookies?

Bozaureik2 07-30-2004 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by grizz

and by looking for isolators and mixers, you can still check out what this guy is doing: http://www.electronique-spectacle.com. as living in portugal shipping costs should be affordable and you can try and test them and send the stuff back if you don't like it. i still haven't tried it by myself but hope to do so in late summer.




Well but how can I know if the mixers this guy Jérôme Barbé manufactures are somehow comparable to the Urei or the Bozak ones?

I haven't got the chance of trying one Urei or Bozak before buying, considering where I live, so... I am not able to compare those two and a Jérôme Barbé one... has any of you tried one of those french mixers ? http://www.electronique-spectacle.com/djcustom.htm

Cheers

Bozaureik2 07-30-2004 08:28 PM

re: grizz
 
Quote:

Originally posted by grizz

and by looking for isolators and mixers, you can still check out what this guy is doing: http://www.electronique-spectacle.com. as living in portugal shipping costs should be affordable and you can try and test them and send the stuff back if you don't like it. i still haven't tried it by myself but hope to do so in late summer.


Well... but I haven't got any chance of comparing this mixer to an Urei or a Bozak... there aren't any U's or Bz's in showrooms here...

Hasn't any of you used or has one of these?
http://www.electronique-spectacle.com/djcustom.htm

I've received the repply from Jérôme Barbé with the prices for the different mixer models, and they are average-high... Don't know if its' worth it...

djmariog 07-30-2004 11:19 PM

MIXERS IN STOCK
 
http://i19.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/33/c3/b5_1.JPG

djmariog 07-31-2004 08:17 AM



JOEY MADONIA 05-24-2005 07:00 PM

OK everyone, I just tested the new Urei 1620LE and in my professional opinion it is as good if not better then the original.
I'm old school, check my bio www.custommade.cc
I originally purchased my Urei in 1987 (NEW) serial # 1581. I have been playing on it ever since. Not to mention Bozak & other Urei 1620's in clubs since its arrival in the club scene. I decided to give the new Urei 1620LE a chance because I wanted a fresh start without having to rebuild my old original 1620 because it is 18 years old and needs a little attention. Don’t get me wrong, my original is not going anywhere. I'll just shelf it and keep it for nostalgic sake. Its still is and will always be my baby.
You can lay all other comments about the new 1620LE to rest, the new Urei 1620LE is the shit. If anyone wants one you can contact me at custommade@bellsouth.net
I'm a dealer. Let me know how much you’re willing to pay and I'll get back to you. Right now the Urei 1620LE list price is $2200.00 and the M.A.P. is $1699.00

LOL

Joey Madonia

der geile ami 06-12-2005 03:52 PM

Re: Re: Must I?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Bozaureik
But regarding its sound quality (Phazon 3700)... ?


I thought dashs mixer sounded better than a urei. The evaluation came from a/bing the 2 in the old phazon office using the booth system that ended up in shelter. It was cleaner, and I could hear more details in music i knew well. I despise djing(give me more live electronic music) , so i wouldnt recommend either mixer.

damn pricey tho! but things get cheaper when you can manufacturer them in larger quantities. A&Hs rotary is also really expensive.

Allen and heath likely have a mixer in cocoon because im guessing 95 percent of the djs that play there have no use for a rotary with 2 bands of eq that dont cut out enough for performance mixing. For performance oriented mixing, there is no quality choice i know of beyond the xone series.

djjonk 01-06-2008 07:26 AM

I don't use or sell urei mixers anymore.
 
I don't use or sell urei mixers anymore unless I get them for a great price to sell. Now, Bozak mixers and parts are what I believe in and I will continue to sell them for as long as I can.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acidtension
Don't know their work...
Mario is more faithful to the Original Urei parts, isn't he?

For home dj use and quality recordings (I've got a CD recorder currently connected to my hifi), which amp +monitors would you vividly recomend to take a nice advantage of such a mixer ?
I had a look at the Crown XLS 202, but I don't know if its recommendable. I've also been looking at the Alesis MK One monitors...
I apologize to sound so lame (as in fact I am) with these questions, but I'd like to considerably improve my home setup regarding audio quality (even if I can't take the desired 100% advantage of it). I wouldn't fancy spending as much money as with the mixer with the other parts, since I don't need a huge speaker system, as I live on a flat and I'm not interested in severely bothering neighbours (just a bit is ok :D )

Cheers


clubman5 01-06-2008 08:06 AM

Well, when I heard it installed at Shelter, few years back when they were on 39th St, the mixer would make a cracking sound once it had been running a bit, and being driven hard. It had some bugs to gotten out, So, at that time, NO it was not a choice of mine. It also was/is VERY expensive, and I prefered the Urei so, it didnt matter to me.

I would guess they have perfected the design by this time, if they are still making and selling the mixer.

They had a list price of something like 4G,s or maybe more, I dont remember. It was,nt priced to move very many, IMHO. I did get to listen to the system with the Phazon installed, and I had been going to Shelter every week at that time. I felt that the Urei still had a beefier bottom end, and warmer sound.

Other than that, I never had a desire to have it, and pretty much that was that! But,

clubman5 01-06-2008 08:16 AM

Well, when I heard it installed at Shelter, few years back when they were on 39th St, the mixer would make a cracking sound once it had been running a bit, and being driven hard. It had some bugs to gotten out, So, at that time, NO it was not a choice of mine. It also was/is VERY expensive, and I prefered the Urei so, it didnt matter to me.

I would guess they have perfected the design by this time, if they are still making and selling the mixer.

They had a list price of something like 4G,s or maybe more, I dont remember. It wasn't priced to move very many, IMHO. I did get to listen to the system with the Phazon installed, and I had been going to Shelter every week at that time. I felt that the Urei still had a beefier bottom end, and warmer sound.

Other than that, I never had a desire to have it, and pretty much that was that! But, Steve Dash had a good idea, because at that time, the Urei was no more, and there really wasn't a mixer on the market for awhile that was considered good enough for top grade installs, so he decided to build his own, based on the amount of sales of custom installs they projected would be sold. And, that thinking made sense, Phazon was considered the ONE to have if you were serious about your clubs reputation, and success.

mynameismatt 01-06-2008 02:27 PM

Wow, these must be posts from the future? ;)

Kevin James 01-06-2008 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djjonk
I don't use or sell urei mixers anymore unless I get them for a great price to sell. Now, Bozak mixers and parts are what I believe in and I will continue to sell them for as long as I can.



I had planned to buy a 3 phono card 1620 from Mario before the new year but due to other nessessities coming up with very shitty timing I wasn't able to make it happen. Something has been in the back of my mind though that is really starting to eat at me which is that maybee a Urei is not the right mixer for me.... or maybee it is. I'm really not sure at this point. Maybee a Bozak is the way to go if I can get it the way I want it. The thing is though what I want would require extensive mods to a Bozak and while I have been told it can be done, I'm sure it would end up being very very expensive. A Urei however can do what I want as is.

My issue is this. I use 3 Turntables and 3 CDJ 1000 cd decks so I need to use all 6 channels. I have no need (or want) for a mic channel. It will literally never be used.

The mixer pictured here is VERY close to what I want, the 5th channell has been modded to accept a stereo line signal instead of a mic in mono and a 5th cue position has been added to cue it. The only thing different I would want is to have this same modification done to channell 6.

IF I were to get a Bozak I would want the following features or it wouldn't work out for me:

1. Dedicated booth out with seperate level control
2. 3 phono cards
3. Channel 5 modified to accept a stereo line signal and 5th cue position added
4. Channel 6 modified to accept a stereo line signal and 6th cue position added
5. FX loop
6. 2 dedicated record outs (ie I need to use the fx send for the isolator so that can't be used as a record out and I want 2 record outs like the Urei)
7. The A/B switches for the auxilaries as pictured here.

So I guess what I'm wondering is can this be done, and how expensive would this end up being? I know the Urei would do all of that stock, but I also know the Bozak is said to have a warmer sound, and maximum warmth is what I'm after.

djjonk 01-07-2008 04:21 AM

I will forward what you would like in a bozak to buzzy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin James
I had planned to buy a 3 phono card 1620 from Mario before the new year but due to other nessessities coming up with very shitty timing I wasn't able to make it happen. Something has been in the back of my mind though that is really starting to eat at me which is that maybee a Urei is not the right mixer for me.... or maybee it is. I'm really not sure at this point. Maybee a Bozak is the way to go if I can get it the way I want it. The thing is though what I want would require extensive mods to a Bozak and while I have been told it can be done, I'm sure it would end up being very very expensive. A Urei however can do what I want as is.

My issue is this. I use 3 Turntables and 3 CDJ 1000 cd decks so I need to use all 6 channels. I have no need (or want) for a mic channel. It will literally never be used.

The mixer pictured here is VERY close to what I want, the 5th channell has been modded to accept a stereo line signal instead of a mic in mono and a 5th cue position has been added to cue it. The only thing different I would want is to have this same modification done to channell 6.

IF I were to get a Bozak I would want the following features or it wouldn't work out for me:

1. Dedicated booth out with seperate level control
2. 3 phono cards
3. Channel 5 modified to accept a stereo line signal and 5th cue position added
4. Channel 6 modified to accept a stereo line signal and 6th cue position added
5. FX loop
6. 2 dedicated record outs (ie I need to use the fx send for the isolator so that can't be used as a record out and I want 2 record outs like the Urei)
7. The A/B switches for the auxilaries as pictured here.

So I guess what I'm wondering is can this be done, and how expensive would this end up being? I know the Urei would do all of that stock, but I also know the Bozak is said to have a warmer sound, and maximum warmth is what I'm after.

I will forward what you would like in a bozak mixer to buzzy and I will let you know what he says. I know that most of what you want can be done. I just want to make sure since I am not an expert but Mr. Buzzy is and he knows best. Thanks, John

Kevin James 01-07-2008 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djjonk
I will forward what you would like in a bozak mixer to buzzy and I will let you know what he says. I know that most of what you want can be done. I just want to make sure since I am not an expert but Mr. Buzzy is and he knows best. Thanks, John


That would be awsome. If anyone would know it would be Buzzy. Thanks John :)

atf104 01-07-2008 12:21 PM

I just like that the volume goes to 11. Someone actually asked me if that makes it louder then a normal mixer that goes to 10. I kinda like the idea though, subliminally making people try to keep the volume at 10...


thermionic 01-07-2008 02:38 PM

Quote:

IF I were to get a Bozak I would want the following features or it wouldn't work out for me:

1. Dedicated booth out with seperate level control


All mixers from the CMA-10-2-DL-onwards have space for a separate third amp card. You fit a pot in place of the power switch, which is relegated o the rear of the enclosure.

Quote:


2. 3 phono cards



You can fit up to 4 cards yourself - very easy.
Quote:

3. Channel 5 modified to accept a stereo line signal and 5th cue position added


It's easy to do, but quite labour-intensive. You'll need a rotary switch with extra positions.
Quote:

4. Channel 6 modified to accept a stereo line signal and 6th cue position added


Same as above answer.
Quote:

5. FX loop


All Bozaks have an FX loop, but it degrades the sound quality massively due to being very high impedance. If you wanted to make it work properly, you'd need to add an additional buffer. It can easily be done, but will be costly.
Note that you'll hear the sound degrading even if you just connect a cable from In-to-Out - the FX loop is the Bozak's big flaw.
Quote:

6. 2 dedicated record outs (ie I need to use the fx send for the isolator so that can't be used as a record out and I want 2 record outs like the Urei)
You would have to add extra buffering with high input impedance. It can be done, but will be labour-intensive. This is the most difficult request of all.
Quote:

7. The A/B switches for the auxilaries as pictured here.

That's a doddle - you could even do it yourself if you can solder and drill holes accurately. It is labour-intensive as the whole mixer will need dismantling. You'll want a bench drill to do it, or buy a new face-plate. Printing the legends onto an old plate is fiddly. It's probably best to buy a NOS one from Mario or someone.


Justin


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