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Old 09-28-2012, 10:25 PM
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Just a photo that some may enjoy when discussing DJ isolators. This was taken sometime around 2002/2003 at one of Buzzy Beck's (original USA Bozak company design engineer and builder) home music rooms. Interesting because this appears to be the fore runner of what we now call isolators. The RL may mean it was designed for Richard Long in the early 1980s but Buzzy would not confirm that. I was told these were designed to group an area of frequency’s that could cause harmonic problems in some installations. They were pre set in conjunction with an EQ and were not accesssible by the DJ. I was told it used RTL and ECL logic that would make it comparable to the DL series mixer circuitry. Looks like we came a long way and I had a chance to laugh at the CDs and 45 rpm records all covered with what looks like years of dust.


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I guess competition is good for us buyers, I cant believe that there is more than 8 Isolator brands:

Dope Real (Japan)
GSA (USA)
E&S (France)
ARS (Japan)
BozaK (UK/USA?)
Thrive (USA)
SBS (USA)
DUO Audio (USA)
Vestax (JAPAN)
Omnitronic (GERMANY)

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Bozure (SWEDEN)
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:55 AM
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Comparing the Omnitronic to high-end ISOs is like comparing a Bozak mixer with a Behringer. You can mix with both but....

The design goals for it is not to be the best sounding/working ISO in the world but to to work ok and be really cheap to build (simple filters, mostly cheap components).
The only components that i would consider to use in it (from what i can see on the small photos) is the ALPS pots and maybe a few of the filter caps.

This is an ISO for home use, not to be installed in large club systems. For the price i don't think anyone would expect it to be equal to the high-end ones, but in a small
home set-up i wouldn't focus to much on that and just accept what it is and start having fun with it.
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Old 09-29-2012, 03:00 AM
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nice photo djjonk! but what is more concerning is the spilt glass of scotch and coke!
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Old 09-29-2012, 06:16 PM
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I wonder what frequencies the crossover points are at. Being old school it would be interesting to see how the original BOZAK company did it. Anyone with any information or specs?
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:42 PM
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Old 09-30-2012, 09:26 PM
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Just knowing that Buzzy has the complete Jock Jams and MTV Party 2 Go compilation CD sets makes me sleep better at night
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:43 PM
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pern have you actually heard the omnitronic?

we tried it on a nice funktion one res install and it sounded as good as a n other expensive isolator....
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Old 10-01-2012, 08:46 PM
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Regardless of components selected Omnitronic will be able to manufacture at a price point that a boutique operator will not be able to touch. Besides, even if they did use so called hi quality capacitors and or resistors it would not make much of a difference to the end price, maybe $30-50 at the most. They would have a buying capacity that would allow them to undercut all boutique units and who know's, maybe, just maybe it does perform as good.
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:31 AM
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I haven't heard it yet. As i wrote before i don't see any reason why the sound quality should be bad. It is designed to be cheap to build and to sell at a low price. Nothing wrong with that, i like that concept (just look at my designs). But as Richi wrote i would spend a little extra on the components to make it even better. I'm actually thinking more about the quality of the filters they use than some of the component choices.

It's an interesting product since the price is very low. Think i will order one and do a component upgrade and see how much that can improve it.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:37 AM
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Can this be purchased in the States or import only?
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:05 PM
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i would suggest you contact the retailer directly:

http://eshop.steinigke.de/en/Kontaktformular/

according to their website, they ship internationally.
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Old 10-29-2012, 05:28 PM
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Just got one from Amazon for 149 incl shipping from Germany. My DCR 1200 died a while back and i got a gig in a few weeks where we will be using my urei and isolator. I could get the DCR looked at but i need a new power unit for it anyway so @ the above price i just thought f@$ it and got one. Proba wont tell much difference compared to the Vestax anyhow!

Will share my thoughts when it arrives
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Old 11-03-2012, 02:14 PM
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Arrived yesterday so only took a few days to come from Germany which was nice. Of course i opened it straight away to see what it was like.

It has a nice 4-5mm thick faceplate in a matt black finish and comes with moog-esque knobs. I think the finish of the decals is not exactly the best but lets not be fooled this is a very reasonable unit.
The pots are blue velvets and compared to my Vestax DCR 1200 (which has Alps too not sure which?) are very stiff. I would compare them exactly to when i first got my 1620 LE. Well they are the same pots. They may be a little too stiff for Claussell type tweakin' which suits me because firstly i dont like that kind of musical abuse and also this unit only has 6dB of gain so probably lacks the attack too.

Haven't powered it up yet so cant comment on sound will do it tomorrow and also have a sneak peak inside it .

Very happy so far
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Old 11-04-2012, 09:39 AM
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Sounds very nice indeed i like it a lot. Sits nice with the mixer too.


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Old 11-05-2012, 10:34 PM
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Its a cheap option and its well valid,

im interested in the durability of the Pots, let us know =) congrats
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:08 AM
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Presuming they are genuine RK27 then they are good for 15,000 cycles as per the ALPS Datasheet.

There is a flood of Chinese copies of the RK27 in the market place and i'm sure some manufactures would have been stung unless using known distrubutors. Same with desirable Op-Amps and other Hi-End Audio gear.
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:26 AM
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:28 PM
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im interested in the durability of the Pots, let us know =) congrats

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Old 11-07-2012, 04:20 PM
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im using the unit for about 5 or 6 months now. pots are still fine, bit smoother now. i think they are "real" rk-27s.
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:07 AM
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I just got a Pioneer RMX-1000 that has a built in Isolator, but having never used an isolator before, I don't know how it compares to a regular isolator. If someone has compared the two I would like your opinion. Don't worry about trashing it since I got it used, and didn't really buy it for the isolator.
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:58 PM
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sound quality wise I cannot comment on it, but: with the software you can control all the frequencies, how it boosts, curves etc. so in theory it should work just like every single isolator out there.
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Old 11-18-2012, 03:25 PM
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Besides the pots itself I like the unit.
Would be really awesome with some RK27!
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:57 AM
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Hey finally got to hear it in a club last night here ...... i took my LE and the iso along to a venue that just had 2 quite large Funktion One towers. Sounded very nice indeed very clear with a full low end. I did find the hi hats tough on the ears but that could be down to my ears (no one else was complaing) or the pretty savage tops on the FK1's or indeed the Isolator. I have played at this club once before with their in house DJM 800 and did note the harshness of the high end then too.

All in all a real pleasure indeed and it is in fact leagues ahead of my DCR 1200 that died especially in the 'feel' dept!
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:57 PM
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i understand the input power is 240 V ... will this unit work in North America? or do you need a step down transformer to make it work to 110 V???
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:50 PM
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you will need a transformer, the unit is not switchable.

heres the manual:
http://www.ltt-versand.de/bedienungs...n/00061259.pdf
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