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Old 03-06-2007, 02:15 PM
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Mixing on a rotary is the only way to mix.

I'm comfortable mixing on rotary but I've never understood this logic. When you mix on rotary you can only move one knob at a time with a single hand. With faders you can use one hand to control several faders at once. You can also easily see what the levels are of each channel.

If rotaries were better for precise mixing, then studio boards would be rotary.
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Old 03-06-2007, 02:21 PM
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If rotaries were better for precise mixing, then studio boards would be rotary.

true, but that's because mixer boards have faders that are much longer, and therefore more precise.

when it comes to the standard 12" tabletop DJ mixer with 4" faders, well, I'd rather have rotary.
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Old 03-07-2007, 01:58 AM
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IMO We. who likes UREI Sound and design, should only test new versions and keep the originals .. or get an original mixer and keep it n good condition all time,
\mine is from 87 and its still shiny nice and tight,
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Old 03-07-2007, 01:59 AM
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i agree...

but if a very very nice reissue comes along.....
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:03 AM
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yeah, thats it,
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:37 PM
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true, but that's because mixer boards have faders that are much longer, and therefore more precise.

when it comes to the standard 12" tabletop DJ mixer with 4" faders, well, I'd rather have rotary.

Tho if you uncurved it, resistance track for a pot can't be all that long either, I would think?

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Old 03-07-2007, 03:59 PM
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I'm comfortable mixing on rotary but I've never understood this logic. When you mix on rotary you can only move one knob at a time with a single hand. With faders you can use one hand to control several faders at once. You can also easily see what the levels are of each channel.

If rotaries were better for precise mixing, then studio boards would be rotary.

The idea (I believe) with rotary is that it forces the disc jockey to focus more on the music rather than the techniques of blending. By limiting the tools available they can be more creative with their musical selection. This is coming from someone who's a fan of DJs who play with this style, so understand my view is very biased.
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Old 03-07-2007, 07:58 PM
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The idea (I believe) with rotary is that it forces the disc jockey to focus more on the music rather than the techniques of blending. By limiting the tools available they can be more creative with their musical selection. This is coming from someone who's a fan of DJs who play with this style, so understand my view is very biased.

i agree with this statement. i also feel that using a rotary requires one to have tighter mixes in order to free ones hands for both knobs...just my thoughts
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:18 PM
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Rotary pots feel different than linear fader pots.

It may be that at the time of design, they asked the DJ,s what they preferred? It just does seem to be a natural feeling to turn ones hand, as opposed to a sliding action.

Rotary pots seem to lend themselves to the long, slow, blend style of mixing, and linear faders are better for fast cuts, scratch mixing, and chops.

Both types have been around forever, and the rotary found favor with disco mixing. And moved along with house, and everything else, except hip hop, scratching, and techno styles.

Radio broadcast consoles were available with sliders or rotaries, as well. Guess its up to the user to determine what they prefer!
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Old 03-08-2007, 09:49 AM
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i'd always assumed that rotaries were common in the early days because they're harder to get dirt and dust into (more of a problem in clubs than studios), and because of lack of space?
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Old 03-08-2007, 10:04 AM
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Well, I got the Biamp DJ5600 that I had posted about a few weeks back. It has linear faders, and I have to say they are smooooooth as hell. They are about an inch and a half longer than the crap Pioneer DJM-707 I had been using, and man they are smooth as hell. Very buttery. They feel like recording console sliders. Though that is what they were modeled after. I have used a Urei before, and I would have to say that there probably isn't any real difference in performance. It most likely is just a personal preference. Also the comment about keeping dust and cigarette ashes out being a reason for rotary use in night clubs makes alot a sense.

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Old 03-08-2007, 01:08 PM
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I prefer a fader, but one thing about faders currently that feels a bit funny to me for blending is how loose they are to accomodate post-turntablist hip-hop styles (which I love equally as much as house/disco styles, to be sure). I wouldn't mind a little more stickiness on the channel faders (though not as much as I had in my first Numark many years ago, which were like stuck in molasses).

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Old 03-08-2007, 02:22 PM
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seems like some of the modern linear faders have user adjustable "torque," so you can set it to your preferences
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Old 03-08-2007, 07:20 PM
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seems like some of the modern linear faders have user adjustable "torque," so you can set it to your preferences

really?
that would be a great feature.
some hiphop tricks rely on a loose channel fader in combination with a crossfader, but for straight mixing, they're too loose.

fader curve is a big factor as well - it seems like some fader mixers have more of an exponential curve, with a lot of gain in the last few notches.
don't some rane mixers have adjustable channel fader curve?

i'd like to see more mixers with easily swapped fader and rotary faceplates.
i wonder if there's a way to do it while the signal is still going through?
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Old 03-08-2007, 07:29 PM
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really?

believe it...


one of them is called the focus fader

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6965677.html


another is the Infinium
http://www.infiniumtechnologies.com/...ies/20060803_1

I think many if not most mixers now have adjustable Xfader curve....


BTW those focus faders are drop in replacements (sometimes requiring slight modification) for many common mixers....
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Old 03-08-2007, 07:41 PM
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one of them is called the focus fader

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6965677.html


another is the Infinium
http://www.infiniumtechnologies.com/...ies/20060803_1

I think many if not most mixers now have adjustable Xfader curve....


BTW those focus faders are drop in replacements (sometimes requiring slight modification) for many common mixers....

neat.

(btw - i didn't mean crossfader curve, i meant channel fader)
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Old 03-08-2007, 07:43 PM
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Old 03-11-2007, 02:57 PM
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Soundcraft new rotaries

a friend of mine just got the 1603 from urei/soundcraft...
really nice unit... solid built and good sound. the layout is clear.
the linear faders are sweet.
good eq filters section with enough space between the pots.
the send and return efx controls are very handy.

i think they should consider the rotary option for the 1603 and the 1605.
would be great also a more serious classic 1620 (no-LE) re-edition without that horrible gold look and a reduced price.
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Old 03-11-2007, 03:50 PM
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I got this email from Tom Der of Soundcraft on Feb 23rd (2007):

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The UREI 1603 was originally going to have an option for rotary pots but this is no longer the plan. I believe the metal work that holds the faders can be removed from the chassis and we were going to have another panel to replace it with that had rotary faders.

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Tom

I'm sure it could still be done...by someone.
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Old 03-12-2007, 11:45 AM
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They seem to have a replacable line fader block, so making a direct rotary replacement is probably really easy. I am not sure about the warranty though, this mod probably voids it and I don't know how important it is for the buyers.

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Old 03-13-2007, 12:31 AM
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maybe if done cleanly enough, they would never know?
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Old 03-13-2007, 05:53 AM
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ive modded several mixers this way with rotary pots and every time ive done this ive had great commemnts on djs that have used them they just feel better and allow the music to breath better
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Old 04-03-2007, 02:39 AM
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I beleive that on a rotary mixer the sensativity of the mix is more intense. No not intense that really is the wrong word. I mean if you slowly turn up a rotary POT the volume increases ever so slightly. If you the same with a fader it just does not have the range or sensativity of a rotary POT. But my experience with faders is limited. Perhaps the high end ones are much better.
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Old 04-03-2007, 03:46 AM
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It is easier for your hand to make small, precise movements when rotating rather than sliding. This is why precision surgical instruments often work with rotational inputs even when they make a linear actions.

That said, in the time before gain controls, slide mixer fader curves were much more conducive to mixing. I used to think it was just my fuzzy memory until I bought an older slide mixer. Most new slide mixers have very nonlinear faders that have most of the volume change in the last 1/3 of the travel. When the fader is already a short 45mm it is very difficult to be smooth. I think they intend for you to match levels with the rotary gain control and use the faders to cut things in and out without paying attention to level.

Only some of the high end mixers are better. Formula-Sound and Rane have nice linear faders but Allen & Heath and Ecler have the uneven faders. As someone who grew up on the very linear fader of an old Rane, my A&H never quite felt right in the 3 years I used it.
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I had the original A&H Xone 62 for three years & can say the faders are the smoothest i've ever used, not uneven at all...
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