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Old 01-21-2008, 05:41 PM
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MP2016 vs. MP2016A (the definitive thread!)

I had asked this question to a member in a previous thread and a smart guy suggested posting it here as a new thread.

Before someone goes off the handle and says "use the the search function", I already tried that. The results I found were mostly subjective, but not all.

Here are the questions:
What are all the mechanical, electrical, electronic, structural and component difference between the MP2016 and the MP2016A?

Have you used both? Have you owned both? Have you a/b both?

Feel free to ask any other pertinent Rane Rotary questions.

You guys could probably skip the obvious like: the headphone cue/prgm mix instead of the Urei/Bozak style channel knob.

It be cool to have all this stuff that is related to Rane Rotary mixers on one thread rather than spread all over this website.

If you are just gonna thrash/bash Rane rotaries, please go do it somewhere else.

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Old 01-21-2008, 07:23 PM
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...pots changed from black beauties to blue velvets
...amount of gain available via EQ on the main board and expander was supposedly dropped between revisions to help keep it out of the red...
...heard the phono preamp design changed
...split cue
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Old 01-21-2008, 08:00 PM
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...pots changed from black beauties to blue velvets
...amount of gain available via EQ on the main board and expander was supposedly dropped between revisions to help keep it out of the red...
...heard the phono preamp design changed
...split cue

Right on, Right on, keep it coming guys....this what I'm talking about.

I heard it here that Rane ran out of the old MP2016 phono pre-amps cards so started using the MP44's phono preamp cards.

If this is true, is it an upgrade? I would think so because the MP44 was/is thier flagship mixer.

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Old 01-21-2008, 09:20 PM
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Different, smaller knobs. (at least for the main channels) Gone are the little piece that sticks up that'd allow you to mix in the dark.
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Old 01-21-2008, 10:43 PM
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Different, smaller knobs. (at least for the main channels) Gone are the little piece that sticks up that'd allow you to mix in the dark.

I wanna buy a MP2016 so I can swap the knobs to my MP2016A. The older knobs were way better, cooler.
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Old 01-22-2008, 05:16 AM
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From what I have read and seen since the “A” was released I have gathered the “A” model is much better sounding than the original from what people say on this board but looks wise IMO I prefer the original 2016, to me in the pics I see even the paint finish looks different not just the knobs.
And also personally I don’t like the cheap looking cue buttons on the “A” and prefer the big old dial on the original and in a club situation I couldn’t give a damn about split cueing unless the monitors are that bad.
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Old 01-22-2008, 08:39 AM
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Do the blue velvets have a tighter feel than the black beauties? Is that a simple upgrade to do on the 2016?
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Old 01-22-2008, 09:06 AM
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We used both. We now have the 2016a.

I think because the mixer is so popular in clubs and bars, Rane had to update it. The original 2016 would clip too easy and produce a distorted sound at high levels. I am sure quite a few sound installers and/or club owners complained about it. Lots of DJs tend to "push" levels. It is a much more tamed animal now. For the better.
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Old 01-22-2008, 06:09 PM
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From what I have read and seen since the “A” was released I have gathered the “A” model is much better sounding than the original from what people say on this board but looks wise IMO I prefer the original 2016, to me in the pics I see even the paint finish looks different not just the knobs.
And also personally I don’t like the cheap looking cue buttons on the “A” and prefer the big old dial on the original and in a club situation I couldn’t give a damn about split cueing unless the monitors are that bad.

Cosmetically, I do prefer the MP2016, the original. The split cue is useful for me because I rarely have the benefit of monitors in my gigs. The cue buttons do look cheesy, the channel selector was better idea. Soundwise the MP2016A is much better but that's a subjective statement.
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Old 01-22-2008, 06:17 PM
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when i had the 2016 i didn't have the problem with clipping that many seemed to have, but i didn't really overdrive it, and had high efficiency speakers, adequate power and a pretty small room
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Old 01-22-2008, 06:51 PM
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My guy at Rane was busy getting NAMM stuff going and he'll be back at his desk tomorrow. When he gets around to it, he'll make up a chart showing the differences.
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Old 01-22-2008, 09:33 PM
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My guy at Rane was busy getting NAMM stuff going and he'll be back at his desk tomorrow. When he gets around to it, he'll make up a chart showing the differences.

Freakiin' awesome, man! Thanks. This is great.

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Old 02-06-2008, 08:20 PM
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My guy at Rane was busy getting NAMM stuff going and he'll be back at his desk tomorrow. When he gets around to it, he'll make up a chart showing the differences.

Any news on the chart?
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Old 02-08-2008, 08:41 PM
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OK guys, other than the things mentioned already, here's a few things:

TONE Section – Max boost changed – Still use same value pots for R21A, R2
A and R23A (20kb) added R439, R440 and R441 (10.0 k) to implement new
gain range. Old tone range was: +10 dB to full kill. "A" version tone range is: +6 dB to full kill.

Output Stage – Added R460 & R462 parallel to R357 and R358 in to “Booth Output” to lower output impedance slightly. Same change done to Un_BAL HOUSE Left and Right outputs. Booth output impedance now 150 Ohms. House Level op-amps changed from MC33078 to D-OP4580.

The input preamps are not "cards," it's part of the boards. The preamps have been upgraded to the MP44 type. It's harder to overdrive it and get it into the red therfore it's better sounding with the inputs pinned. Of course, the original version sounds just as good until it's overdriven/abused. Typically, club DJ's will overdrive the inputs resulting in the "A" version being considered the "better" sounding board.

I don't like the new knobs, I prefer having a nub on them to "feel" where it's set. They said they had many complaints about the nubs cutting fingers so the change was customer feedback driven.

I think part of the change to the "A" version was to be more RoHS compliant.
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Old 02-09-2008, 01:58 AM
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2016a doesn't clip as easily as the the original 20116, and its audible, I know, because I HAVE BOTH!
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I have been getting the urge to try the Rane in my home system again after having the Urei LE in it for a little over a year. If only swaping them out wasn't such a major pain in the ass lol
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Old 02-09-2008, 02:27 AM
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I have been getting the urge to try the Rane in my home system again after having the Urei LE in it for a little over a year. If only swaping them out wasn't such a major pain in the ass lol
Well, listen to both, hearing is believing!

AND, you may be surprised at what your ear actually prefer!

DOT THE A/B AND TELL US!
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I have been getting the urge to try the Rane in my home system again after having the Urei LE in it for a little over a year. If only swaping them out wasn't such a major pain in the ass lol
Well, listen to both, hearing is believing!

AND, you may be surprised at what your ears actually prefer!

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Old 02-09-2008, 02:34 AM
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Too much of a pain in the butt. If the bottom of my console was open it would be a no brainer, but due to the limited space for wiring its an absolute nightmare to swap mixers out.
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Do the blue velvets have a tighter feel than the black beauties?
I just got an MP2016 from eBay. The pots do feel tighter than on my MP2016A. I ended up swaping the knobs as I had threatened before.

The MP2016a is in my mobile set up and the MP2016 is in the home setup.

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Old 12-04-2008, 09:56 AM
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i just bought a rane mp2016a on eBay...

congrats to me...woohoo!
welcome me to your ranks, as i own a rrrrrrrrreal rotary right now

YEAH ;-)
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:19 PM
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What should I be paying for a used one in excellent shape? Who has the best price on a new one?
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Old 12-05-2008, 06:33 AM
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well..on ebay there are some stores selling the rane mp2016a for 1200$...
which is for someone from europe a good deal since you can still save some money, than buying a new one over here even with VAT and shipping and customs all together

if you're from the states then go there..i think its a good price, from the view of a european
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It is definatly a good deal!

The official price in germany is 3700.- Euro/4680.- USD for the Rane MP2016. The streetprice is 1600.- Euro/2000.- USD.
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Old 12-05-2008, 09:20 AM
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What should I be paying for a used one in excellent shape? Who has the best price on a new one?


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You're in Canada right?

One of my sound guys sells the the 2016 and the expander for $1400.00 ... new.

He's in New Jersey.... 973-790-6772 call and ask for Dave. He might be willing to ship to you.
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