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Old 12-22-2006, 08:29 PM
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Cartridges?

Just curiouse, what kind of cartridges do you guys use? Especially interested in those that run a large system or do installs.
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Old 12-22-2006, 09:31 PM
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I played around with many things. I have tried all the new satntons, didnt like em. I do like Grado, but, they can be a bit tempermental to work with, but they sound great.

I did try the Audio Technica carts that cost around $79.00 ea, good bang for the buck, but, its good, not great.

I still use old stanton 681SE, I have needles to keep me going, but, this is NLA!

Sonically, I really like the Grados, but everyone has had issues with trackability with them.
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Old 12-23-2006, 03:10 AM
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the 680 hifi are the best for all around mixing and sound great needle
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Old 12-23-2006, 04:41 AM
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My very first cart was the Shure SC35C. Since then I've owned:

Shure M35X, M35S, Whitelabel
Ortofon DJ Concorde S, Nightclub OM E
Stanton 500, 680ELII

After all that, I went back to the SC35C. Still would like to someday try the AT cart.
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Old 12-23-2006, 08:03 AM
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Grado DJ200
Stanton 680EL II
Audio Technica AT95E

In Clubs where the only use Serato/Final Scratch Shure M44/7.
In Clubs where mostly Electro/Minimal is played the Shure M44/G or Ortofon DJS (most Clubowners here in Germany prefer Ortofon)
In Clubs where only Housemusic is played Audio Technica AT95E or Stanton 680EL II. Problem is that most of the DJs cant work with them because of the less trackability compared to Ortofon Concorde's.
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Old 12-23-2006, 11:51 AM
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So it seems the Stanton 680 are pretty popular here. I was just curiouse because just about every club out here uses Ortofon Concords ( either the nightclub tip or dj tip) and a couple use the Shure Whitelable.

I'm not really a fan of the Ortofons at all although thats what I started with a few years back. I use the Whitelabels now and i like them, but now I'm starting to wonder if there is something better out there soundwise that DOESN'T have tracking problems.

Anyone know what Shorty uses for installs? I'm REALLY interested to know that. Or Gary Stewart?
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Anyone know what Shorty uses for installs?

This is from 2003, but I saw it the other day while reading up on the Whitelabels again.

http://www.wavemusic.com/community/s...00&postcount=7
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Old 12-23-2006, 04:48 PM
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Well, Ill add to that old post of Shortys.

I have Grado Prestige Golds, and Grado Reference Platinum Woodbodies.

Grado sounds amazing, period. But, there are issues with heavy duty back cueing.

But I love how they sound. For an install, with various DJ,s running the decks, they are not heavy duty and abuse proof. But, if its your personal system, and you can get them to work, and I have, they sound great.
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Old 12-23-2006, 05:11 PM
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Well, Ill add to that old post of Shortys.

I have Grado Prestige Golds, and Grado Reference Platinum Woodbodies.

Grado sounds amazing, period. But, there are issues with heavy duty back cueing.

But I love how they sound. For an install, with various DJ,s running the decks, they are not heavy duty and abuse proof. But, if its your personal system, and you can get them to work, and I have, they sound great.


This is for my mobile rig that others people do play on so the Grado's are definatley not an option.

A couple questions on the Stantons are the newer 680v3's any good? There are two versions, which is better spherical or eliptical?
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Old 12-23-2006, 05:40 PM
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Elliptical sounds better, especially the highs. Spherical tracks better, especially for heavy duty back cueing, and scratching.

Spherical needles would be the most abuse tolerant.
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Old 12-23-2006, 05:57 PM
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Hello Kevin

You really do want to be looking at a elipitical if you have any kind of concern for sound quality. Go for AT or original 680EL they are both cheap enough. I have found AT to be best on the market, super seperation and solid bass end without the 680 slight raspy high, shame they don't actually sell the nude styli verson.

Scratching applications demand something tougher but this has been discussed to death here, have a pair of anything to hand for those who like to scratch.

I'm just about to post something a bit different regarding actual club type use based on my recent little event. Would make a change from Rane verses Urei type for internet mixes or other virtual nonsense.
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Old 12-23-2006, 06:25 PM
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Hello Kevin

You really do want to be looking at a elipitical if you have any kind of concern for sound quality. Go for AT or original 680EL they are both cheap enough. I have found AT to be best on the market, super seperation and solid bass end without the 680 slight raspy high, shame they don't actually sell the nude styli verson.

Scratching applications demand something tougher but this has been discussed to death here, have a pair of anything to hand for those who like to scratch.

I'm just about to post something a bit different regarding actual club type use based on my recent little event. Would make a change from Rane verses Urei type for internet mixes or other virtual nonsense.

According to Stanton's website they no longer make the 680EL though, they have "revamped" their whole line. The current version is the 680v3 or 680Ev3. Thats why I was asking if the new ones are any good.

Not sure what your talking about in that last bit there about Rane vs. Urei...
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Old 12-25-2006, 04:51 PM
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According to Stanton's website they no longer make the 680EL though, they have "revamped" their whole line. The current version is the 680v3 or 680Ev3. Thats why I was asking if the new ones are any good.

Not sure what your talking about in that last bit there about Rane vs. Urei...

As far as I understand, the 680Ev3 should be similar to the old 680EL and the 680v3 should be similar to the 680HP.
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Old 12-26-2006, 01:32 PM
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i would expect that stanton has not changed the actual stylus on the 680ev3 nor have they changed the cartridge just the look and the design im going to trust that the sound would be the same on the 680 although if you are looking for a great sounding needle that has a nice eliptical stylus the stanton L720ee is great and wont break the bank.
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Old 12-26-2006, 09:02 PM
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I use GRADO DJ200i with Thorens 125 MKII.
I have great sound and no trouble.
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Old 12-26-2006, 09:22 PM
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where did you get your thorens?
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Old 12-27-2006, 11:31 PM
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I use GRADO DJ200i with Thorens 125 MKII.
I have great sound and no trouble.

No trouble with back cueing? Do you have to be extra gentle? I see the extra stylus are expensive (same price as the cart) How long due they last? or how often do you switch them out?
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Old 12-28-2006, 01:31 AM
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No trouble with back cueing? Do you have to be extra gentle? I see the extra stylus are expensive (same price as the cart) How long due they last? or how often do you switch them out?

yeah maybe i do it gently but not "EXTRA"

where do you guys touch when you back cue?
I touch label for back cue.

they don't wear so fast.

i hope this will help
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Old 12-29-2006, 12:22 AM
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Now I'm really confused..... been following this thread:

http://www.wavemusic.com/community/s...ead.php?t=5555

And seems that the general opinion is that the new Stantons suck donkey dick. So their out, and the Grado's are too expensive/not durable enough to use in a mobile rig (I'm REALLY eyeing the Grado DJ200's for my personal practice studio though!)

Maybe I should just stick with my Whitelabels for the mobile rig then? Fabric uses Whitelabels on every deck I think, and alot of people say Fabric has one of the best sounding systems in the world.

Any better options in a currently manufactured cart?

Opinions??????
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Old 12-29-2006, 05:00 AM
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So it seems the Stanton 680 are pretty popular here. I was just curiouse because just about every club out here uses Ortofon Concords ( either the nightclub tip or dj tip) and a couple use the Shure Whitelable.

I'm not really a fan of the Ortofons at all although thats what I started with a few years back. I use the Whitelabels now and i like them, but now I'm starting to wonder if there is something better out there soundwise that DOESN'T have tracking problems.

Anyone know what Shorty uses for installs? I'm REALLY interested to know that.
I own stock of the original 680 el, from Stanton when it was in Long Island New York the Real Stanton & own about 30 pairs of them, so i think with todays day in barely any TT usage im fine for quite sometime
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Old 12-29-2006, 03:30 PM
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I own stock of the original 680 el, from Stanton when it was in Long Island New York the Real Stanton & own about 30 pairs of them, so i think with todays day in barely any TT usage im fine for quite sometime


But are those just for your personal use, or for installs? I only ask because with 3 decks per booth you got about 10 installs worth of carts.... then what?

Is that what you used in Gspot and Lotus Soundbar?

What about replacement syli also? How often do you change the styli's out in your installs?
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Old 12-29-2006, 07:29 PM
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But are those just for your personal use, or for installs? I only ask because with 3 decks per booth you got about 10 installs worth of carts.... then what?

Is that what you used in Gspot and Lotus Soundbar?

What about replacement syli also? How often do you change the styli's out in your installs?

3 phono anymore only purists, yes there for installs not personal i use the Grado Prestige Golds for my home setup. Gspot I used brand new original 680el`s, Lotus I used Grado DJ 200s & I also modified the technics headshells & made them HiFi Headshells, to improve the quality, & improve the frequency response of the sound of the Grado cartridges. I have plenty of 680 styli`s, so i dont have to worry about that for my clients

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Old 12-30-2006, 07:25 AM
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I used Grado DJ 200s & I also modified the technics headshells & made them HiFi Headshells, to improve the quality, & improve the frequency response of the sound of the Grado cartridges

This is interesting. Could you elaborate on the modifications?
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listnening @ home I really like the
dj200 and the prestige gold, less for mixing.

Ortofons for mixing.


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