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Old 10-22-2007, 07:58 PM
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Best Gear Ever Made!

What is considered the best/industry standard DJ gear ever made?

Here are my suggestions:

Turntables - Technics SL121O
CD - Pioneer CDJ100 MKIII
Carts - Stanton 500
Mixer - Formula Sound PM80
Cans - Sennheiser HD25
Mic - Shure Beta 58A

Any thoughts on these and other possible contenders?
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Old 10-22-2007, 09:08 PM
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What is considered the best/industry standard DJ gear ever made?

Here are my suggestions:
Oh boy, here we go. I think there is a BIG difference
between "ever made" and (current) industry standard.

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Turntables - Technics SL121O
SL-1200 MK2 was the industry standard and in my
humble opinion the "best ever".
Can't say the 1210's have completely become
the new standard because there are so many
Technics incarnations right now.

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CD - Pioneer CDJ100 MKIII
Industry standard, maybe (nightclubs only, though).
Best ever, no way. For Mobile, best ever:
Denon DN-D6000 or 9000.

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Carts - Stanton 500
You are not even trying. Every club I ever played
had some flavor of Ortofon and sometimes
Shure (as an industry standard).
Best ever? Hard to say.
Grado, maybe? I guess.
I use Ortofon Nightclub OM's at home.
So my guess for the "best ever" is not biased.

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Mixer - Formula Sound PM80
Wow. I've never seen this in any club
I've ever played at. I'm going to break my own
rule of never commenting on things I don't know,
but I'm going to guess and say it is a "very good"
mixer, because I've never heard one. But "very good"
don't make it the "industry standard" or "best ever".
Industry standard? That damn Pioneer DJM 600 or
Rane MP2016 (the first one). Best ever:
BOZAK CMA10-2DL. Yeah, I said it.

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Cans - Sennheiser HD25
Industry Standard: Sony MDRV something or others. The silver ones.
Best ever? Who knows? What I use is the black Pioneers.

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Originally Posted by djchrishiggs
Mic - Shure Beta 58A
not for recording.
Mobile work: Shure SM-57. Installation:
there's no standard I've ever noticed.
These are all my humble opinions.
Not disrespect at all, dj chris higgs. Peace.
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:05 PM
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Excellent, thanks for your input!

The gear I listed is the gear I own so I may be biased, though I did tons of reasearch and had loads of other gear in the past before I settled. The only thing I changed is the carts, Stanton 890 FS I have now.

Used to have twin denon decks (1800F), served me well for about 6 years & recently upgraded to the Pioneers.

The PM80 mixer was the industry standard (here in the UK) throughout the 80's & 90's, it won numerous awards & cost £2000+. I've heard loads of good comments about the old Bozaks, seem to be bigger in the USA than here though.

Shure SM58 is the industry standard mic here, the Beta 58A is similar but more expensive and has a wider frequency response.
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:36 PM
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Excellent, thanks for your input!

Used to have twin denon decks (1800F), served me well for about 6 years & recently upgraded to the Pioneers.

The PM80 mixer was the industry standard (here in the UK) throughout the 80's & 90's, it won numerous awards & cost £2000+. I've heard loads of good comments about the old Bozaks, seem to be bigger in the USA than here though.
The industry standard for mixers and cd players in nightclubs on the west coast of the US during the late 80's and early 90's was the Rane MP 24 and Denon DN-2000 MK3. That setup today, for mobile work, still rocks. You really got your money's worth on your 1800F, huh? I had the same ones and I liked 'em alot. But not as long as you had yours, though. The only thing I didn't like was the color.
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:54 PM
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technics sl 1200 mk2 for decks
stanton 680 el for carts
urei 1620 or vestax pmc50a for mixers
denon 2000 and 2500f for cd decks
sony mdrv 600 or akg k240 for headphones
shure sm58 for mic

this is what ive seen most used and what ive used most that worked right

currently i have a modded peavey 502 mixer and a pyle pdcd210 cd decks and a modded stick headphone with a sony mdrv300 driver

peas

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Old 10-22-2007, 11:55 PM
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and the rane mp mixers are bulletproof the 2016 is nice too
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Old 10-23-2007, 10:59 AM
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From an engineering standpoint, the Bozak CMA 10 stands in a totally different league to any FS mixer - and I've worked on them all.

The quality of contruction on a CMA 10 is well above the UREi 1620 in all honesty. Ask yourself which one has most problems... The Bozak is by far the most reliable, rugged mixer ever made.

99 out of 100 problems on a Bozak are down to either dried caps (not Bozak's fault) or poor servicing (I've recently seen some Bozaks that have been serviced by butchers!).

The Matamp Supernova is the coolest slide-fader mixer ever made IMHO - discrete with P+G faders - try a board search for more info.


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Old 10-23-2007, 12:44 PM
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The Matamp Supernova is the coolest slide-fader mixer ever made IMHO - discrete with P+G faders - try a board search for more info.

Holy crap!!!!!!!!!!

That's somethin' else.

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Old 10-23-2007, 12:46 PM
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Hi Justin, how is the Bozak in a different league from FS? From a sound quality point of view, i've A/B tested the audio output from a FS with the input signal & there is no noticable difference whatsoever.

The Bozaks still seem very popular in the US but ive never seen one anywhere in the UK and have worked in 100's of venues over the last 20 years. Would love to have a play on one though.

I guess as the saying goes, they just don't make em like they used to!
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:25 PM
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Agree with Fred so i copy the text but I modify ,.

technics sl 1200 mk2 for decks
stanton 680 el for carts
urei 1620 or vestax pmc50a for mixers / Rane MP Mixer (the one with Four EQ Knobs on the top Right)

denon 2000 for cd decks
sony 7506 headphones
shure sm58 mics
YAmaha 990 Sound procesor (now its 2000) but all raiders still demand this model
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Old 10-23-2007, 02:32 PM
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Holy crap!!!!!!!!!!

That's somethin' else.

Peece,
T. Tauri

Matt Matthias who designed it is a real legend; some even say his valve amps are the best they've ever heard (including Tannoy's head of R+D - and he should know).

You know 'Orange' guitar amps? The original, pre-1973 units are Matthias' design... Guitarists pay silly money for them now.


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Old 10-23-2007, 02:38 PM
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the best slide fader mixer ive used that i really loved was the numark sm1
its a two channel that is setup similar to the vestax 05pro but has mids as well as the lows and highs and the faders dont feel super light they are quick but have weight

this mixer was like butter and was built like a tank and looked sexy and had all the right elements but nothing you didnt need like fx and crap like that

it sounded good too like twice as good as the pioneer 500/600

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Old 10-23-2007, 02:42 PM
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"From an engineering standpoint, the Bozak CMA 10 stands in a totally different league to any FS mixer - and I've worked on them all."

In what way(s) is the Bozak in a different league from FS? From a audio quality point of view, i've A/B tested the audio output from a FS with the input signal & there is no noticable difference whatsoever.
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:59 PM
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I hate to say this but the FSM-600 was the worst mixer I have ever heard in my sound system, I don't know what it sounds like in a club with loads of processing but on my hi-fi system it sucked (may be the mixer was old or in bad shape internally as I got it second hand). The build quality was ok although the whole thing felt cheap and flimsy from the outside, IMO much better mixers out there for half of the price or less. There is not one good thing I can think about the FSM600 that I liked. I hated mixing on it, it sounded crap what more can I say.
The day I got rid of it was my happiest day ever in my life.
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You Got to Be Kidding

You guys left out a whole era of equipment. THIS IS SAD !!!!!!!!!
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Rodec mixers have been a brand used in various parts of Europe, like Belgium.
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Old 10-23-2007, 04:16 PM
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"From an engineering standpoint, the Bozak CMA 10 stands in a totally different league to any FS mixer - and I've worked on them all."

In what way(s) is the Bozak in a different league from FS? From a audio quality point of view, i've A/B tested the audio output from a FS with the input signal & there is no noticable difference whatsoever.


Hi Chris,

I wasn't ignoring you - I got a call after writing my response to Jeff.

You may or may not have noticed that I don't like the idea of giving subjective appraisals on the sound of equipment: everyone has their own ears and I believe the Internet is very badly suited to discussing personal preferences . With this in mind, I will confine my opinion strictly to the engineering differences. Please bear in mind that, if I were to list all the differences between models, I would be here a long time:

FS uses 5532 and TL074 op-amps running in Class A/B, whereas Bozak is discrete, with all circuitry, bar the output stage, in Class A (Bozak OS is Class A/B, depending on how it's biased). You can buy 5532 and TL074 from Maplin - exotic they ain't.

Look inside a Bozak, and then look inside FS:

Bozak is hand-wired, hand-soldered, uses expensive pots (even the original pots were high-end). Bozak has high-current output transistors. Bozak uses pricey knobs only seen on pro-audio and pro test gear.

FS uses ribbon cable... (not a favourite of mine - crosstalk and RFI rejection are immediate issues with ribbon - it's really for PCs...). FS is flow-soldered (not a bad thing). FS uses cheap pots which wear out (a common issue in PM80s). FS doesn't have a discrete output-stage with large heatsinks. FS uses run-of-the-mill knobs - you could probably find them in Sifam or RS catalogue in minutes.

Bozak has thick front panel - much more so than any FS.

Feel the weight of a Bozak, and then pick up a FS...


Before I get flamed by the FS users I’d like to say this: if you're happy with the FS, that's all that matters – it’s the end result that counts. I would be interested to hear what you were using in the way of monitoring when you came to the conclusion that there is ‘”no noticeable difference” between what goes in and what comes out of a FS. Were you listening in a treated room? We don’t go clubbing in treated rooms with Class A amps, but if you want to hear the difference between A and B, that’s the place to do it.

I've had to keep this post short – I could go on for a long while.


One brand here is "pro-sumer" technology, whereas the other is genuinely professional, built to similar standards to pro studio gear; as to which is which, you decide...


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Old 10-23-2007, 04:19 PM
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Rodec mixers have been a brand used in various parts of Europe, like Belgium.

Have you ever looked inside a Rodec? It has more in common with a bedroom clock than any piece of pro-audio that I'm aware of...

Not trying to be rude, but Rodec stuff isn't nice to look at: very bland, designed by accountants IMHO.

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Have you ever looked inside a Rodec? It has more in common with a bedroom clock than any piece of pro-audio that I'm aware of...

Not trying to be rude, but Rodec stuff isn't nice to look at: very bland, designed by accountants IMHO.

J

No, they are ugly. But lets call them "brawler" mixers, a Rodec will survive a lot of abuse. They are mostly found in seedy rock clubs or your local disco, where the main point is to play as loud as possible. By that definition they are a industry standard.

Now, if we should talk sound quality, the Bozak and Urei rule.

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Old 10-23-2007, 06:04 PM
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Thanks Justin, I agree with most of what you said regarding components & crosstalk is evident in the FSM600.
They are, though, all very transparent audio wise & the best ive heard out of 100s of desks (Cloud, Vestax, Stanton, Numark, Rane etc etc). I tested using Sennheiser headphones & also Mission hi-fi speakers.
The old FS were built like tanks and are very heavy also, and were all individually hand made in the UK (no Chinese crap here!)

Vinyl Junkie, the headphone outputs on the FSM600 are awful, I agree, although the main outputs are excellent. The faders feel too light as well. This mixer is, however, the industry standard club mixer in the UK (replacing the now discontinued Cloud CXM) and has won a number of awards for excellence also.
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this topic is too subjective....not only to peoples opinions but different countries as well.
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Old 10-23-2007, 11:08 PM
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With regard to industry standards, yes.

However, good sound is good sound and to reproduce it takes good science. The best sounding equipment alters the sound as little as possible.
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have you heard every piece out there and compared the original signal to the output to verify your theory?

some folks claim that certain pieces do alter the signal, yet sound very nice....
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