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Old 03-20-2012, 12:20 PM
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Rodec vs. Rane vs. Urei

Hi

I would like to buy new mixer (old one is Xone 4D) and looking at:
Rodec MX 1800
Rane Empath
Urei 1620
or FF 4000

The thing is that I am looking for good, solid, quality sounding dj mixer.
I kno that few of you will advice to buy bozak or urei and of course I am taking those into my consideration but I don't really like having 6 ch and using only 3 of them.
Pleas share your opinions

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Old 03-20-2012, 01:17 PM
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which model UREI?
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:52 PM
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These are all good but very different mixers. You cannot go wrong with any of them so you should choose what you will want to use every time you are going to play records. I have an original 1620 and an FF6000. I love them both but I find that I used the FF6000 much more because the more traditional layout is what I need to be comfortable with when playing out. If I am providing the mixer for an event most people throw a fit if they see the UREI (rotaries, no cue blend, no effects bus, no per channel EQ, no meters to make red, etc., etc., the Pioneer in my bedroom is better because it has this stuff, blah, blah).

On the other hand I love rotary mixing sometimes and the 1620 is definitely better in this respect than the rotary kit for the FF6000. The knobs are better on the 1620 and the lack of gadgets, metering and eq forces you to really listen to the music as you mix.

Both are a big step up from the past Xone and Rane products I have used/owned. I would say that the Formula Sound is the better built of the two but it has to be because of the increased size and complexity.

Understand what you really want to use day to day and the right choice will become clear.
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:04 PM
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If you want my opinion it's this...

Original Urei 1620 or vintage Bozak of some sort, the Bozak isn't the most practical if it's an older model i.e. 10-2-DL (no booth out, no balanced outs etc) but really.... The sound and build quality just pure class.

The 1620 is probs the most perfect dj mixer in terms of layout and features in my eyes.

But then any one else isn't you
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:35 PM
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those opinions matters to me. I like my Xone 4D but I like simple mixers.
Right now looking for mixer with analog hq sound and simple layout.
I am not shure if i will like 1620 due to lack of eq..but i need mixer for deep house sounds. Xone is quite perfect for my second love - break beat.
thats why i was looking at Rodec mx 1800 or empath rotary.

Most of my 12" is break beat and house but deep is 100% on digital so is having audio 10 dj hooked up into 1620 will not destroy it's hq sound?

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Old 03-20-2012, 06:00 PM
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All depends.....

Also consider the bozure line of kits,
If you don't mind some DIY
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Old 03-20-2012, 08:30 PM
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What's currently wrong with your 4D?
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:16 PM
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Most people who have Rane Empath mixers seem to love them.

I've had a Rane 2016 rotary mixer with expander (very underrated IMO), a Rane TTM-56, and a Rane TTM-57. Rane is wonderful to work with if there's a problem too. Their support is some of the best I've dealt with.

One general thing about owning a 20+ year old piece of electronics is that, sooner or later, you'll either learn to fix things or you'll have to find a good tech.

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Old 03-20-2012, 10:06 PM
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what is wrong with my 4D..? The main thing is that sound card leaks through channels and headphone out and it is possible to hear digital noises. You can hear sound card working in background. Of course it is when I will turn volumes at max, but still. It stayed in my brain and does not want to go away
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Old 03-21-2012, 07:37 AM
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I was given a 3D few years ago by A&H.

The digital noises and hiss were annoying considering it's price but you can eliminate it from memory by not plugging in the USB, turning any of the BPM counter things off, LFO's off and turn the filter off. Even if the filters are not assigned to any channels if switched on they add a considerable amount of hiss.

Personally I found the whole mixer flimsy and very tacky.

Don't think you would like the 1620 then without any mods as it's a rather hissy beast and again the Rodec MX-180 might be too coloured for your liking, people in Europe love that thing for Techno and House though.

I'd try the Formula Sound FF-4000
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:27 AM
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if I will turn everything off in my 4D then there is no point having it
FF 4000 seems like one hard, solid machine what i like. What do U have in mind saying about Rodec too colored? You mean the lights on the mixers or the way it sounds?
The simplest construction of all above belongs to Empath but I never heard how it sounds.

When you think about it in this digital era it is very hard to find good analog mixer which could be described as hi-end dj mixer (especially not the rotary one). I am not against digital era, but don't like mixers packed with everything. Yeah I know 4D owner

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Old 03-21-2012, 11:38 AM
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people in Belgium love that thing for Techno and House though.

fixed!

Rodec mixers, (every single one) are built for club use not so much pure sound quality. they have ridiculously powerful headphone amps, build quality is second to none, headroom is trough the roof. they are in a way the ultimate club mixers (they are more DJ oriented than something like Dateq). Sound quality is good but not Bozak good
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:46 AM
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that is what i am talking about. i like rotary mixers but still there is no hi-end mixer with faders and only 4 channels. i do not need 6 ch - have only 2 decks don't want more
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:24 PM
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fixed!

Rodec mixers, (every single one) are built for club use not so much pure sound quality. they have ridiculously powerful headphone amps, build quality is second to none, headroom is trough the roof. they are in a way the ultimate club mixers (they are more DJ oriented than something like Dateq). Sound quality is good but not Bozak good

Pretty much it yes

And I think you made a important point there... These and others are high quality "club mixers" not really designed for a high end Home listening environment imo.


I think there are plenty of good line fader 4ch/6ch mixers about

Rane MP-44, MP-24, MM8Z, Italian LEM and Outline mixers, Rodec do loads, Formula sound PM-90, PM-80, PM-100, FF-4000, FF-6000, Allen & Heath Xone 62 and 92, Eclere range
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:30 PM
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I'd love to play on one of these



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Old 03-21-2012, 12:34 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBTZ5...-tSJcO3MrCz4c=
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:38 PM
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looks like a broadcast desk!
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:44 PM
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Rodec makes the mx 1400, 3 channels and 1 mic channel. still a rodec but smaller (and cheaper)
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Old 03-21-2012, 04:49 PM
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looks like a broadcast desk!

Those Outline mixers were used in Pacha Ibiza for as long as I can remember (mid 90's) and only replaced by the DJM-1000 in recent years shame really...
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Old 03-21-2012, 05:49 PM
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The French also made some quality mixers before the time of Pioneer's marketing men. Most country's had something interesting to offer and made traveling that bit more interesting as a DJ

Now every club you play has same boring old shit from Pioneer...

Freevox DJ 7 and Club 10





Power PMP-403



Italian LEM mixer

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Old 03-22-2012, 04:37 AM
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fixed!

Rodec mixers, (every single one) are built for club use not so much pure sound quality. they have ridiculously powerful headphone amps, build quality is second to none, headroom is trough the roof. they are in a way the ultimate club mixers (they are more DJ oriented than something like Dateq). Sound quality is good but not Bozak good
?

No bozak mixer has a better sound quality than an actual rodec, objectively!



Maybe you could wait for the rodec rotary...
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:47 AM
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like that's ever going to come out...
@ vinyljunkie,
I own a Freevox DJ club, I must say that when it works, its a great mixer!
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Old 03-22-2012, 12:21 PM
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No bozak mixer has a better sound quality than an actual rodec, objectively!

too bad sound is generally considered a subjective arena, eh?

in other words, how are we to realistically judge (perceive) which has the 'better' sound quality --
is it the equipment's replication ability of a given signal,
or that something pleasing to the user's own personal taste
in reproduction is filling the listening space with a given piece?

some folks love the OTL style of tube amplifiers,
others find their sound bloated; and absolutely unbearable to listen to...

who are we, colectively, to judge 'sound quality' -- isn't that generally
a personal compromise that needs to be made in the deployment of any given system?

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Old 03-22-2012, 01:20 PM
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Your are absolutely right, but among different kinds of mixers are those who sound superior than others. I am looking for those with great dynamic sound and wide stereo, long life built and simple to use.

I can compare it with my monitors - previously I had TAPCO S5 which I thought sounded great until I have heard Adam A7X (have it) - it blowed my mind.
Probalby when I will compare it with APS Aeon which I am considering to buy the difference will be noticeable - this same I am looking for in mixers.
My XONE 4D is not bad mixer, sounds great but this sound card hum leaking through monitors and headphones drives my crazy and now I can no find it enough attractive not to sell it. Do U know the feeling?

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Old 03-23-2012, 07:48 AM
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I owned a Empath a few years ago and have always regretted selling it, it sounded great and was a really nice tactile mixer to use, firneds who mixed on it always said it was fun to use. It was well laid out and I really liked the EQ and the Flex-FX send/return it had plents of ins and outs which is always handy. My only gripe was the short faders, personally I prefer a longer fader but that’s just me and it was designed a scratch style mixer as opposed to a “mixing” mixer….if you get what I mean?

I’ve used the FF4000 once and was really taken with it, over my DJR it would be my dream mixer! It sounded very clean and solid, it was nicely laid out and I like the big dials plus it had 2 send/returns and lots of outputs and control over those outs.

Cant vouch for any of the others but hope this helps a little.

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