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Old 04-10-2009, 01:54 AM
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Integral Sound @ Roseland -Armin Van Buuren

Just came across the photos for this event I knew about a while that Integral was providing the sound.

Got some sort of line array or point source going on in there.

Guys anyone know anymore info?

http://www.peterdrier.com/Photos/2009/04/04-ArminRoseland/slides/IMG_5794.html
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Old 04-10-2009, 09:13 AM
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Not sure of the sound but there's Steve in pic 90 and George in 134.
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Old 04-10-2009, 09:28 AM
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I think Steve Dash likes JBL.
JBL + Line Array = Vertec
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Old 04-10-2009, 02:07 PM
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that hanging system (each cabinet) looks too high to be a line array, couldn't be a vertec. I think its like a custom point source system.
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Old 04-11-2009, 07:01 PM
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they hvae a pic of the sdx rotary mixer(cute!!!) but then the djs using faders...
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Old 04-11-2009, 10:03 PM
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they hvae a pic of the sdx rotary mixer(cute!!!) but then the djs using faders...

They run the Pioneer DJM-800 through the SDX-3700.
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Old 04-12-2009, 01:39 AM
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That's correct. Whatever mixer is on stage being used, it's run through the SDX before it goes onto the amps.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:03 PM
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clair brothers boxes? theyve built some rather large speakers over the years
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Old 04-12-2009, 02:05 PM
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That's correct. Whatever mixer is on stage being used, it's run through the SDX before it goes onto the amps.

Does the SDX make trance sound better?
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Old 04-12-2009, 02:58 PM
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"Does the SDX make trance sound better?"

Don't know. Mixing boards aren't supposed to have an effect on the audio signal to make it "better". Aside from level and user assigned EQ adjustment, what comes out should match what went in.

I do know that the SDX has a huge output that can drive pretty much anything. I think this allows them to attain a fairly high drive level without pushing the preamps in the mixer to the edge.

This is the board that goes to "11"
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Old 04-12-2009, 03:10 PM
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"Does the SDX make trance sound better?"

Don't know. Mixing boards aren't supposed to have an effect on the audio signal to make it "better". Aside from level and user assigned EQ adjustment, what comes out should match what went in.

I do know that the SDX has a huge output that can drive pretty much anything. I think this allows them to attain a fairly high drive level without pushing the preamps in the mixer to the edge.

This is the board that goes to "11"

You're opening up a can-o-whip-ass with a statement like that on this board lol. Of course a mixer makes the difference. You can debate whether it's for the better or for the worse, but there is a huge difference.
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Old 04-12-2009, 08:33 PM
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When a group of audio engineers and designers sit down to lay out a design, one of their goals is to have an end product that neither adds or subtracts any artifacts to the sound. Some products may end up adding something such as more low end or distortion due to compromises made for market component availabilities and/or cost factor. Some products change the sound in some way when itís used in certain way such as being over driven.

This is why a Urei, Rane or A&H board will obviously sound (perform) better than say a Behringer, Pioneer or Numark board.

Iím not saying all mixers sound the same. The top ones do their job very well. Itís the lower tier units that make changes from input to output.

The SDX. Think of a 100 watt amplifier operating at 90 watts. Now compare to a 500 watt amplifier also operating at 90 watts. Which amp will more effortlessly operate at that 90 watts and ultimately sound better? Steve Dash and George Stavro are very clever engineers.
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:03 PM
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We buy mixers for their sound and when I’m doing a install I am after a Transperent mixer that doesn’t change the sound even when driving it hard “for me it’s MP44’s or SCLAT’s”.
When I have to do a Dance Party I always prefer to run the mixer into a console before the system for control and the extra headroom is very welcome. This console to me has to be the best I can find even if this means I end up hiring a 56ch console though these days I am moving towards using one of our SCLAT’s!
So In my opinion mixers should not add or subtract anything to the signal besides control!
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:46 PM
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Does the SDX make trance sound better?

What I was saying is...

I doubt ANY mixer can make Armin Van Buuren's Trance sound good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtXvprYp4P4

I figured they added the rotary SDX in hopes it will inject some soul into the music program.

Trust in Trance!
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:50 PM
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Yeah the "soul injector" mod is well worth the extra $$$ when dealing with some of the music some DJ's play!
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Old 04-13-2009, 12:02 AM
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We buy mixers for their sound and when Iím doing a install I am after a Transperent mixer that doesnít change the sound even when driving it hard ďfor me itís MP44ís or SCLATísĒ.

So In my opinion mixers should not add or subtract anything to the signal besides control!

as much as i prefer a straight line amplification from what the performers are attempting, it would be foolish to ignore that some devices add something that many find pleasing. although technically not accurate, many a pa operator has had success with certain devices.
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Old 04-13-2009, 01:13 AM
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I agree totally, personally what I like is a consistent sound from a mixer from the bottom of the master to the top and these days that includes the channel gain to a degree! If I could get a mixer new that sounded like my BOZAK or even my UREI (and I can’t get away with rotary’s in Australia) I would but I find mixers are more clinical sounding these days and in the end I am just chasing better build quality and less distortion. And personally I think that some distortion does sounds great but not out of a DJM800!
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Old 04-13-2009, 01:15 AM
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Let’s face it, a technically accurate DJ mixer is not going to be pleasing, to my ears at least!
Maybe I’m wrong!
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:03 PM
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AVB system

Hi All

They system we used out there was a Clair Brothers system to our spec.
We have been working with Clair here and in Australia for over 20 years and have a great working relationship with them and a good understanding of their boxes.

Yes we do run the output of the Pioneer mixer into our SDX3700 which we use as a drive mixer. The Pioneer DJM800 is not known for its sound when it is being overdriven so we not run that mixer too hard. The system is driven by our mixer and yes there was a tonal change in the system when we inserted our mixer.

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Old 04-15-2009, 05:24 PM
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And guys (and girls)

Don't go too hard on Trance.

Taste is taste and always subjective but of all the super star DJ's I come across, it's the ones who play Trance who are some the easiest, unaffected and nicest around.
Might be something about what they play.

George
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Old 04-15-2009, 06:58 PM
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Taste is taste and always subjective but of all the super star DJ's I come across, it's the ones who play Trance who are some the easiest, unaffected and nicest around.
Might be something about what they play.

George

True, but not all. Tiesto will go nuts if u dont give him the monitors he wants.
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:18 PM
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Hi All

They system we used out there was a Clair Brothers system to our spec.
We have been working with Clair here and in Australia for over 20 years and have a great working relationship with them and a good understanding of their boxes.

Yes we do run the output of the Pioneer mixer into our SDX3700 which we use as a drive mixer. The Pioneer DJM800 is not known for its sound when it is being overdriven so we not run that mixer too hard. The system is driven by our mixer and yes there was a tonal change in the system when we inserted our mixer.

Regards

George

Are those the classic S4 cabinets? How many did you use for Roseland?
Did you use any subs with the system? and did you power them with the recommended Carver amps?
Also... did you connect a special rigging to them?

If anyone remembers, these were the cabinets a lot of NY area raves used in the 90s. RSA audio in Long Island has them.
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:14 PM
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I halled plenty of S4's back in the day, hense my busted spine!
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:54 PM
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Yes they are the S4s and no we do not use the Carvers.
Even though Clairs' Carvers are like no others, they still lack some power.
We used a combination of Crown MacroTechs and the new Lab Gruppens with the Lake processing.

We used 16 tops and 12 subs.

I don't think the boxes RSA have are S4 but a different version of that type of box. They have 2 x 15" drivers in theirs.

They are a great box to use if you have motors and don't need to lift them as we have done many a time.
I wish they were still available in Australia as they are the ideal dance music production loudspeaker.

George
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:22 PM
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Yes they are the S4s and no we do not use the Carvers.
Even though Clairs' Carvers are like no others, they still lack some power.
We used a combination of Crown MacroTechs and the new Lab Gruppens with the Lake processing.

We used 16 tops and 12 subs.

I don't think the boxes RSA have are S4 but a different version of that type of box. They have 2 x 15" drivers in theirs.

They are a great box to use if you have motors and don't need to lift them as we have done many a time.
I wish they were still available in Australia as they are the ideal dance music production loudspeaker.

George

You are right. The RSA boxes are

2 x 18" EV 18B Pro Line Speakers
2 x 12" EV 12S Pro Line Speakers
1 x 2" JBL 2445 with JBL 2380 Horn
1 x JBL 3402 Bullet Tweeter

I believe the S4 boxes are all JBL.

Thanks for making that clear.
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