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Old 03-18-2007, 10:17 AM
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www.bozak.com

The first product is the ISO-X Isolator (switchable between either 3 or 4 way). The mixer and expander are coming straight after.

www.bozak.com

i would love to see another name, but i'm sure will be very nice sounding stuff...

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Old 03-18-2007, 11:12 AM
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there is nothing on the site, is this normal? When can we see some pictures?
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Old 03-19-2007, 09:16 AM
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Mick - Any idea who is behind this venture and when the isloator will be available? Looks like they have just got the site up, so am guessing they are some way from being ready to sell their first units. I am looking to buy an isolator at the moment and am curious to see what their stuff will sound like.

I am always a bit suspicious of people trying to recreate the past, but who knows they may do a great job. They have a lot to live up to with this name though, so it will have to be top quality.
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Old 03-19-2007, 10:24 AM
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Network Solutions says Paul Morrissey which is the same name as this guy:

http://www.clubsystemsinternational....405/people.htm

Or Paul Morrissey could also be some internet computer person who registered the domain??
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Old 03-19-2007, 10:32 AM
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i would like to reserve judgement until i can get one in my grubby little hands....


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Old 03-19-2007, 03:11 PM
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Were is the unit going to be on display? Im going down Thursday till monday.

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Old 03-20-2007, 09:54 AM
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Site is up with details on the isolator.
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Old 03-20-2007, 10:04 AM
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so essentially this is like the rane but with an isolator

cool

so did sombody buy the bozak name?
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Old 03-20-2007, 10:27 AM
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this will be an immediate purchase, any detailed info on the release dates? It says summer 2007 for the linear version and thus I imagine an earlier date for the rotaries...
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Old 03-20-2007, 07:20 PM
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Wow - looks class. Am thinking of getting an isolater in the not too distant future. Now I have to choose between this and the E&S units...
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Old 03-20-2007, 10:25 PM
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So are these being designed and built in Connecticut?
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Old 03-21-2007, 11:02 AM
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when the user selects 4 way, how does that change the xover points?

"3 or 4 band User Selectable Isolator with 18dB per octave cross over slopes.

Cross-Over Points 18dB/Octave
Mid/Treble 4KHz
Bass/Mid 400Hz
Sub/Bass 80Hz or 100Hz
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Anyone know how the EQ section connects? Same as rane or is it a stand alone 6 channel isolator?
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Just exactly who are you all addressing these questions to? Besides a link to a website teaser, no one has claimed to know anything about this yet.
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Old 03-21-2007, 04:19 PM
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I just know they (whoever they is) are reading this


Mr. MarioG has one.....

by accident, doubtful.....
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Old 03-21-2007, 05:39 PM
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and isnt' WMC ongoing as we speak? So there should be a showcased item no? The pic on the main site is a bit misleading but then maybe the whole mixer + FX unit is EXACTLY the same layout as the Rane, so maybe pics are not even needed?
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when the user selects 4 way, how does that change the xover points?

"3 or 4 band User Selectable Isolator with 18dB per octave cross over slopes.

Cross-Over Points 18dB/Octave
Mid/Treble 4KHz
Bass/Mid 400Hz
Sub/Bass 80Hz or 100Hz


there's a switch to engage the sub, and another to select the sub crossover point from 80 to 100.
nice concept.
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Old 03-21-2007, 09:14 PM
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doesn't paul morissey work for soundcraft? so is this a soundcraft bozak?
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Old 03-21-2007, 11:29 PM
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The unit that Mario G has is An original vintage bozak Frequency Divider. Not this new companys unit. Look at the pics they are totally different!

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Old 03-21-2007, 11:30 PM
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The unit that Mario G has is An original vintage bozak Frequency Divider. Not this new companys unit. Look at the pics they are totally different!

Henry

ah -- sorry about that -- i misunderstood...

figured different prototype model or something....
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Old 03-22-2007, 09:41 AM
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So are these being designed and built in Connecticut?

I very much doubt they are being built in Connecticut. Unlike the UREi 1620, which has an output transformer (very difficult to recreate accurately without access to original paperwork and - preferably - the original staff), the CMA 10 has no unobtainium parts whatsoever.

The only awkward parts to find in a Bozak are the FETs and transistors from the output stage (the input preamp transistors are obsolete, but most firms still have good stocks). You can find the parts, but rarity makes them expensive.

If you want a recreation built in Connecticut, why don't you do it yourself? Over the years, many people have asked me to recreate a Bozak for them. On each occasion, I told them they'd need to order at least 25 units to make it worthwhile, at which point they lost the nerve...

Why don't you and Mario get together to make a Connecticut-built reissue? You could have quite a team; Scott Fitlin could work on QC :-) The copyright's expired (note that Neve want to go after the TENS of firms that make their '70s gear, but can't due to expired copyright), so you have no worries there. Obviously, the Bozak trademark has been renewed, but - apart from that - there's nothing to stop anyone recreating a Bozak - nothing at all.

The Bozak runs in Class A/B, so it doesn't require expensive heatsinks like a pure Class A unit would. There are no fancy passives, i.e. transformers, so that's a massive worry off your mind there. The caps need some matching, but that's pretty basic. The metalwork could be made by any local machinist / fabricator - nothing clever there.

Of all the mixers ever made, the Bozak is the easiest one to re-release and it amazes me that it's taken so long for it to happen.

I don't condone the Neve clones as the original designers are still alive, but there ARE tens of firms making Neve clones... Why not have more than one firm making Bozak clones? Competition is said to drive standards higher...

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Old 03-22-2007, 09:46 AM
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BTW - Note that where I say original semiconductors are expensive, I mean in the scale of transistors / FETs, i.e. instead of costing 10 cents, they're likely to cost you a dollar or two.
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25 units right?

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If you sold it for around $1,800 - 2,000 USD, you could get your money back on 10 units (provided you cloned the original single-layer PCB etc and didn't go for any modern improvements), but you wouldn't make a lot of money.

Name me one reason to stop anyone cloning a Bozak... (Aside from the name)


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Old 03-22-2007, 12:44 PM
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I don't think there are any, honestly....

except lack of desire, technical knowledge and/or financial backing in one person



I fall in the lacks knowledge and $$$ categories....
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