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Old 04-09-2007, 09:42 PM
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Talking Sub project update: pictures

Yay!!!! The new subs are almost done. Still got some things that need to be done first though such as install more rubber feet on the sides and reflector plate, instal grills over the mouth opening, and fit and finish the v coupling plates.

Here are some pics my builder sent me today God I can't wait to fire this stack up











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Old 04-09-2007, 10:07 PM
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Hey Kevin, I bought four more B&C LF drivers. Guess What's going to happen over here?

I can't hold out any longer, I have to have four more. Then I am done for real. I promise.

Looks like my living room.. You know you have to have the other two completed. The stack works real good in clusters of four. Trust me on this one. lol
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Old 04-09-2007, 10:23 PM
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Hey Kevin, I bought four more B&C LF drivers. Guess What's going to happen over here?

I can't hold out any longer, I have to have four more. Then I am done for real. I promise.

Looks like my living room.. You know you have to have the other two completed. The stack works real good in clusters of four. Trust me on this one. lol


Dam, 4 more? You bastard!!! J/k

Yes I am absolutly getting the last 2 done. I am dead set on a total of 8. No question about it
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Old 04-09-2007, 10:26 PM
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Old 04-09-2007, 10:33 PM
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Thanks I so can't wait to fire them up.
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:43 AM
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Looks good.

Whatever you do, don't be cheap on your tops. Invest in good tops that can enhance the bass and, not make it sound as if both cabinets are doing their own thing.

That type of trend (Cheaping out on tops) is all too common these days and, most evident when you hear the overall performance.

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Old 04-10-2007, 01:53 AM
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Old 04-10-2007, 09:26 AM
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Looks good.

Whatever you do, don't be cheap on your tops. Invest in good tops that can enhance the bass and, not make it sound as if both cabinets are doing their own thing.

That type of trend (Cheaping out on tops) is all too common these days and, most evident when you hear the overall performance.

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I am puting alot of thought into what I am going to do for tops. Right now I am thinking of going with 4 EV QRx212/75 dual 12's. I have heard nothing but good things about them as far as their sound quality and performance. Iam thinking that the dual 12's will give me the best performance for good strong midbassm and much cleaner mids than I would get from 15's. Plus they are arrayable.

My budget for tops is going to be $1500 per box and I'm looking for 4 boxes. I am open to any suggestions as well. The tops will be a long way off so that I have plenty of time to do the proper research and save the money to make the purchase.
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Old 04-10-2007, 09:29 AM
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Play some Slayer! "South of Heaven" my favorite.

Uh.....no. IF and its a big if...I was going to play any metal through them it wouldn't be Slayer it would be Judas Priest.... because I loves me some Priest they are "the metal Gods" after all LOL

I assume your comment was because of the last pic with the guy holding a bass. That was my builders buddy and the picture was only taken to reference the height of the stack. I do not plan on actually having any live music throught them (although I was told that bass player was drooling over the stack and wanted to try plugging his 6 string bass into it LOL)
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Old 04-11-2007, 01:23 AM
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I am puting alot of thought into what I am going to do for tops. Right now I am thinking of going with 4 EV QRx212/75 dual 12's. I have heard nothing but good things about them as far as their sound quality and performance. Iam thinking that the dual 12's will give me the best performance for good strong midbassm and much cleaner mids than I would get from 15's. Plus they are arrayable.

My budget for tops is going to be $1500 per box and I'm looking for 4 boxes. I am open to any suggestions as well. The tops will be a long way off so that I have plenty of time to do the proper research and save the money to make the purchase.


I would suggest you listen before you buy. Tops are very subjective (Well beyond subs) so, you shouldn't just go by great reviews.

The Yorkville Unity 215 would match your criteria, or if you don't mind the weight, the old EAW KF 850. Used, they go around 1500 - 2000 a box. Fully horn-loaded. I tend to prefer fifteens over twelves for low midrange/midbass applications.

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Old 04-11-2007, 04:50 PM
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I would suggest you listen before you buy. Tops are very subjective (Well beyond subs) so, you shouldn't just go by great reviews.

The Yorkville Unity 215 would match your criteria, or if you don't mind the weight, the old EAW KF 850. Used, they go around 1500 - 2000 a box. Fully horn-loaded. I tend to prefer fifteens over twelves for low midrange/midbass applications.

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I will definatley listen before I buy. The KF's are out.. theres just no way i can afford any thing in that series new and I don't want used tops... I want a warranty.

I am also considering the EAW LA460's after looking at the specs that MAY be a better option than the EVQRx12/75's then agian it also might not be. Not sure.
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Old 04-12-2007, 05:23 PM
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I will definatley listen before I buy. The KF's are out.. theres just no way i can afford any thing in that series new and I don't want used tops... I want a warranty.

I am also considering the EAW LA460's after looking at the specs that MAY be a better option than the EVQRx12/75's then agian it also might not be. Not sure.


When I first got in this business, I felt warranties was necessary. Later I learned, warranties are more suited for consumer audio than pro audio.

If you think that you are warrantied from negligance on your part on how you use your speakers, you will be in for a rude awakening if that happens.

Speakers are pretty much at the mercy of the user. They either work or don't. So, unless they are DOA, manufacters are not going to replace damaged speakers so easily unless they are are at fault.

IMHO, I always considered the LA Series nothing more than a box with an EAW logo on it. It's their low line series. In other words, that line didn't make Eastern Acoustic Works the company they are today.

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Old 04-12-2007, 06:03 PM
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When I first got in this business, I felt warranties was necessary. Later I learned, warranties are more suited for consumer audio than pro audio.

If you think that you are warrantied from negligance on your part on how you use your speakers, you will be in for a rude awakening if that happens.

Speakers are pretty much at the mercy of the user. They either work or don't. So, unless they are DOA, manufacters are not going to replace damaged speakers so easily unless they are are at fault.

IMHO, I always considered the LA Series nothing more than a box with an EAW logo on it. It's their low line series. In other words, that line didn't make Eastern Acoustic Works the company they are today.

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So would you recomend the EV QRx series more than the EAW LA series?
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Old 04-13-2007, 09:48 PM
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I would suggest you listen before you buy. Tops are very subjective (Well beyond subs) so, you shouldn't just go by great reviews.

The Yorkville Unity 215 would match your criteria, or if you don't mind the weight, the old EAW KF 850. Used, they go around 1500 - 2000 a box. Fully horn-loaded. I tend to prefer fifteens over twelves for low midrange/midbass applications.

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You know, the more I look at those Yorkville U215's the more I think they could be the one....... except for 2 things.

The first is are they considered arrayable for use of more than 1 per side with the 60 degree dispersion?

And 2, are they really meant to be used with subs? I have been hearing that 15's (and especially DUAL 15's) were meant to be used without sub woofers and that 12's were better for use with subs.

My only problem with 15's has been that I don't want mids on a 15... but with the Danley designed unity horn its 3 way so that wouldn't be an issue I guess.
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Old 04-16-2007, 03:37 AM
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Black menacing bass cabs, they look great Kevin.

I saw your in the South Bay (on the PSW forum), if you do anything in SF I'd love to come hear them in action, after the rest of your rig is put together.


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Old 04-16-2007, 09:23 PM
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Black menacing bass cabs, they look great Kevin.

I saw your in the South Bay (on the PSW forum), if you do anything in SF I'd love to come hear them in action, after the rest of your rig is put together.


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Sure, once I finish the rig and get it all dialed in I'll let you know so you can come check it out at an event. I have to be honest though that it's gonna be a while before its finished. I still have 2 more subs to do before the end of summer, all new amps and 4 new tops.

The good thing is that I should be getting the first 6 subs in the next couple weeks, and once I recieve them I will have everything I need to run half the system with 2 tops and 4 of the subs while I build the rest of the rig.

As soon as I recieve them I am going to look for the right event to test the rig at. It has to be the right party though.... not to big of a room, and with a promoter who understands that the rig is untested as of yet. I'm willing to give quite a low price for the system rental fee (on a one time only basis of couse) for the chance to really test the system and get it dialed in and ready to go.
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Sure, once I finish the rig and get it all dialed in I'll let you know so you can come check it out at an event. I have to be honest though that it's gonna be a while before its finished. I still have 2 more subs to do before the end of summer, all new amps and 4 new tops.
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You know, the more I look at those Yorkville U215's the more I think they could be the one....... except for 2 things.

The first is are they considered arrayable for use of more than 1 per side with the 60 degree dispersion?

This is a good thing. That means two boxes will work well together without any phase issues. A lot of standalone cabinets are not designed to work side by side in pairs and, create comb filtering at certain frequencies.

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And 2, are they really meant to be used with subs? I have been hearing that 15's (and especially DUAL 15's) were meant to be used without sub woofers and that 12's were better for use with subs.

The cabinet is a full-range ensemble. You can use them any way you choose.

Sound is subjective, and many prefer certain size drivers under certain applications. Rock systems tend to favor twelve’s and tens for they are less than subtle in low midrange section.

Seeing that their primary concern is vocals, and electric guitars, the lack of low frequency extension in twelve’s and tens makes the user assume they are clearer than fifteens. This is of course comparing two exact drivers (Mechanically, and Electronically) with the exception of the chassis.

Like, Electrovoice's EVM 12 -versus- EVM 15.

Let your ears be the deciding factor. This is why I attend events like Subwoofer Shootouts and so forth. Everyone walks away with their own favorite based on their musical taste.

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My only problem with 15's has been that I don't want mids on a 15... but with the Danley designed unity horn its 3 way so that wouldn't be an issue I guess.

Midrange is the broadest band on the frequency scale. Bass, and Ultra High frequencies are merely just effects to enhance the Midrange. Again, you need to listen with your ears and not your eyes before passing judgment on any speaker design.

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do the casters rattle when the cabs are in use?
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do the casters rattle when the cabs are in use?

No, they don't.
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Haven't fired them up yet, but if the casters DO rattle the bolts on the casters can be tightened and that should stop any rattling.
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Haven't fired them up yet, but if the casters DO rattle the bolts on the casters can be tightened and that should stop any rattling.

Those shouldn't rattle. I have similar casters on mine and I never had a problem with them rattling.

Once they are constructed the build is solid. Outside vibrations on the cab are at a minimum.

I think I am going to build two more. Why? Cause you have eight now, (6 done, two more on to be ordered) I want to have more....hahahhahhah
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Just Kidding. Eight exceeds my demands. Nevertheless, the I absolutely love them. My second set of tax free children.
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Those shouldn't rattle. I have similar casters on mine and I never had a problem with them rattling.

Once they are constructed the build is solid. Outside vibrations on the cab are at a minimum.

I think I am going to build two more. Why? Cause you have eight now, (6 done, two more on to be ordered) I want to have more....hahahhahhah
ahahahahahhha
ahahahahhahahahahahhaahahahaha


Just Kidding. Eight exceeds my demands. Nevertheless, the I absolutely love them. My second set of tax free children.

I wasn't aware it was a competition technicly I have 9 Tubas right now... but 3 of them are Tuba 24's.

I talked to John last night and we agreed on a pay off time frame of end of July for the last 2. I had to make absolutly certain that I could fit the last 2 in my storage area so I had to wait until I got the first 6 in hand. Luckily I CAN fit all 8. Its a VERY tight fit, but it WILL work.

On a side note Im in talks right now with my buddy Homero from Yerba Buena Discos Recordings to see if he still was working on a record release party for end of May or early June. He's working out the details with the venue and said he DEFINATLY wants me to do the sound for the party. Looks like I may get to test these bad boys out in a couple weeks
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